Luke
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Post by Luke on Apr 27, 2020 20:46:27 GMT
So TF was premium for bungee so that we could have SMP, however it is to my understanding that bungee has been removed now, however the server is still cracked.
I propose we change it back to cracked.
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Post by zeseryu on Apr 27, 2020 20:50:44 GMT
there was also the issue of a certain somebody impersonating ops, enabling discord verification, then getting perm banned.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 27, 2020 20:54:33 GMT
I don't understand how we didn't have a public vote to begin with on making the server premium. Was there just a private decision to remove one of the most fundamental aspects of the server for fun and games?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 20:56:59 GMT
I don't understand how we didn't have a public vote to begin with on making the server premium. Was there just a private decision to remove one of the most fundamental aspects of the server for fun and games? Again, SMP. They needed to use bungeecord. |
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Post by Darth on Apr 27, 2020 20:58:40 GMT
I object. I can’t think of many benefits to making the server cracked, except for the few that don’t have an account.
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Post by miwo on Apr 27, 2020 21:07:41 GMT
I don't understand how we didn't have a public vote to begin with on making the server premium. Was there just a private decision to remove one of the most fundamental aspects of the server for fun and games? Again, SMP. They needed to use bungeecord. You didnt answer his question |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 27, 2020 21:13:24 GMT
It's very bizarre to see people objecting to one of the fundamental qualities of the server when we didn't even have a vote to remove it in the first place. Impersonators and server crashers, let's see, we've had a system for impersonation for nearly a decade now, and server crashing is a problem regardless of whether the server is cracked or premium. Right now, we not only block VPNs, we also only allow premium players. Are we not compromising the core values of this server and the very name Total Freedom for extremely little benefit, if any at all? We aren't exactly a paradise with these measures, server stability has been a problem and continues to be one.
If people want to make this a premium server, then the suggestion should be the other way around. The very fact the suggestion has to be created in this way disgusts me compared to the point we were at a while ago when people would suggest premium-only and be shot down.
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Post by zevante on Apr 27, 2020 21:21:12 GMT
Let's all try to focus in the "now." Obviously this server and the community had been poorly mismanaged in the past, but there's nothing we can do about that other than move forward.
For now, my opinion remains neutral unless someone can convince me otherwise. I see valid points in both keeping the server premium, or reverting back to cracked which TF had always been.
If it's a lack of infrastructure being the only reason why we shouldn't go cracked, I would disagree.
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Post by 97 on Apr 27, 2020 21:33:40 GMT
Caleb created a post regarding TF being premium and it being 7+ pages.
Rejected
The server just randomly because premium with no prior vote.
Vouch. Now about server crashers, their advantage would be logging on more, however the impersonation problem should be looked at.
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Post by 97 on Apr 27, 2020 21:34:23 GMT
we've had a system for impersonation for nearly a decade now Btw the reason why people are including this reason is because of Joker |
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Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 21:40:15 GMT
If it's a lack of infrastructure being the only reason why we shouldn't go cracked, I would disagree. It's a lack of technical understanding. Was no reason you shouldn't have cracked on bungee even with SMP if you wanted to... |
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Apr 27, 2020 21:42:51 GMT
If it's a lack of infrastructure being the only reason why we shouldn't go cracked, I would disagree. It's a lack of technical understanding. Was no reason you shouldn't have cracked on bungee even with SMP if you wanted to... the reason we got for the server being cracked was because of SMP, how true that is is up for debate, however I know what you're saying is true based off past experience yes joker was also a reason but the one i was told was because of SMP |
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Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 21:45:19 GMT
It's a lack of technical understanding. Was no reason you shouldn't have cracked on bungee even with SMP if you wanted to... the reason we got for the server being cracked was because of SMP, how true that is is up for debate, however I know what you're saying is true based off past experience yes joker was also a reason but the one i was told was because of SMP Either way, to call it a "Technical" problem isn't accurate, that was perhaps the point I was trying to make there. |
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Post by burger on Apr 28, 2020 0:28:21 GMT
Totalfreedom is a server known for being cracked and while it being cracked may cause problems when it comes to the security of the server I think the good outways the bad. Vouch.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Apr 28, 2020 2:08:00 GMT
PLEASE GOD NO, YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW MUCH THE CRACKED SYSTEM WOULD BREAK STUFF
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sorry, heres the reason why online mode is currently (and most likely will continue being) still on:
basicly, joker, the one and only, decided to abuse the verification system a lot, he would log on from other ops names and just do /playerverification enable, and then log off, and once he logged off, there was nothing we could do without modifying the playerdata files, meaning that the ops that he logged into would be locked out of their accounts preventing them from ever playing totalfreedom again, on top of this, having cracked players completely breaks UUID's meaning that we would have to essentialy rewrite the /shop system (im pretty sure), theres also a number of other reasons, such as an increase of greifers, bot attacks, easier to ban evade, ect,ect.
smp had nothing to do with the server becoming premium only
TL;DR: there are more cons then pros to this so object
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