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Post by square on Apr 29, 2020 15:07:45 GMT
That’s a false equivalence, and I never said that. People who don’t have a premium Minecraft will use a pirated copy of the game to play, which is illegal. Offlinemode exists as a fallback if the authentication servers are down, so people could still play. Cracked Minecraft is technically illegal, and I don’t condone piracy so I’m still objecting. If you play Minecraft, you should have a premium account. depends on the EULA, some games and countries (belgium) would allow you to create pirated copies if you own the license to that game. it's also about how people think about piracy and that if you own that game but get a cracked version of it for any reason other than sharing, is it piracy?
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Post by Darth on Apr 29, 2020 16:33:24 GMT
That’s a false equivalence, and I never said that. People who don’t have a premium Minecraft will use a pirated copy of the game to play, which is illegal. Offlinemode exists as a fallback if the authentication servers are down, so people could still play. Cracked Minecraft is technically illegal, and I don’t condone piracy so I’m still objecting. If you play Minecraft, you should have a premium account. What point are you trying to make?
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Post by miwo on Apr 29, 2020 16:40:15 GMT
So setting onlinemode to false is piracy? That’s a false equivalence, and I never said that. People who don’t have a premium Minecraft will use a pirated copy of the game to play, which is illegal. Offlinemode exists as a fallback if the authentication servers are down, so people could still play. You basically did: "Cracked Minecraft is technically illegal, and I don’t condone piracy so I’m still objecting. If you play Minecraft, you should have a premium account. " You still haven't actually cited any sources that say hosting a cracked MineCraft server is illegal. Also, I don't understand how the sentence "So setting onlinemode to false is piracy?" a false equivalency - care to explain?
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Post by Darth on Apr 29, 2020 16:47:03 GMT
That’s a false equivalence, and I never said that. People who don’t have a premium Minecraft will use a pirated copy of the game to play, which is illegal. Offlinemode exists as a fallback if the authentication servers are down, so people could still play. You basically did: "Cracked Minecraft is technically illegal, and I don’t condone piracy so I’m still objecting. If you play Minecraft, you should have a premium account. " You still haven't actually cited any sources that say hosting a cracked MineCraft server is illegal. Also, I don't understand how the sentence "So setting onlinemode to false is piracy?" a false equivalency - care to explain? Forgive me if I wasn’t properly explaining myself. I didn’t mean an offline Minecraft server was illegal, I meant using pirated software (which is what a cracked Minecraft client is) is illegal. The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down, not so people can play cracked Minecraft. I doubt this will ever be enforced but my objection is a matter of personal principle (I don’t condone usage of illegal/illegally obtained software
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Post by miwo on Apr 29, 2020 16:57:39 GMT
You basically did: "Cracked Minecraft is technically illegal, and I don’t condone piracy so I’m still objecting. If you play Minecraft, you should have a premium account. " You still haven't actually cited any sources that say hosting a cracked MineCraft server is illegal. Also, I don't understand how the sentence "So setting onlinemode to false is piracy?" a false equivalency - care to explain? Forgive me if I wasn’t properly explaining myself. I didn’t mean an offline Minecraft server was illegal, I meant using pirated software (which is what a cracked Minecraft client is) is illegal. The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down, not so people can play cracked Minecraft. I doubt this will ever be enforced but my objection is a matter of personal principle (I don’t condone usage of illegal/illegally obtained software I don't think you can classify a non-login session in MineCraft as pirating. Otherwise I don't get why Mojang would've let you play the game whilst offline (you at least used to be able to as far as I can recall). "The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down" - Wouldn't that mean that the server is cracked at that point? Again, I am fairly certain that you could simply choose "play offline" and not even type in username and password and still play on servers wherein onlinemode = false was a thing. I just humbly asked you to supply some sort of legal paper on whether or not onlinemode false is to be considered piracy.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Apr 29, 2020 17:02:13 GMT
I just humbly asked you to supply some sort of legal paper on whether or not onlinemode false is to be considered piracy. holy shit he's not saying that onlinemode = false is piracy, he's saying using an illegal client to play minecraft is. however, i don't agree that using a cracked launcher to play is "piracy". i use TLauncher, because i can't get optifine to work with the vanilla launcher, and TLauncher has it built in. It lets me sign in with my minecraft account to play online or use a custom username.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Apr 29, 2020 17:03:01 GMT
You basically did: "Cracked Minecraft is technically illegal, and I don’t condone piracy so I’m still objecting. If you play Minecraft, you should have a premium account. " You still haven't actually cited any sources that say hosting a cracked MineCraft server is illegal. Also, I don't understand how the sentence "So setting onlinemode to false is piracy?" a false equivalency - care to explain? Forgive me if I wasn’t properly explaining myself. I didn’t mean an offline Minecraft server was illegal, I meant using pirated software (which is what a cracked Minecraft client is) is illegal. The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down, not so people can play cracked Minecraft. I doubt this will ever be enforced but my objection is a matter of personal principle (I don’t condone usage of illegal/illegally obtained software This server has never condoned illegal software, even when we were cracked: that is why we don't advertise or link to any client that allows you to play cracked Minecraft. We assume in good faith that everyone using a cracked account also owns a premium one. I think that is reasonable, because assuming the opposite is similar to assuming everyone you come across on the street is a criminal.
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Post by miwo on Apr 29, 2020 17:04:26 GMT
I just humbly asked you to supply some sort of legal paper on whether or not onlinemode false is to be considered piracy. holy shit he's not saying that onlinemode = false is piracy, he's saying using an illegal client to play minecraft is. however, i don't agree that using a cracked launcher to play is "piracy". i use TLauncher, because i can't get optifine to work with the vanilla launcher, and TLauncher has it built in. It lets me sign in with my minecraft account to play online or use a custom username. It was a rephrasal of my earlier question - a clarification. And you could simply extend that to the question "what would an illegal client be?"
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Post by Darth on Apr 29, 2020 17:05:37 GMT
Forgive me if I wasn’t properly explaining myself. I didn’t mean an offline Minecraft server was illegal, I meant using pirated software (which is what a cracked Minecraft client is) is illegal. The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down, not so people can play cracked Minecraft. I doubt this will ever be enforced but my objection is a matter of personal principle (I don’t condone usage of illegal/illegally obtained software I don't think you can classify a non-login session in MineCraft as pirating. Otherwise I don't get why Mojang would've let you play the game whilst offline (you at least used to be able to as far as I can recall). "The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down" - Wouldn't that mean that the server is cracked at that point? Again, I am fairly certain that you could simply choose "play offline" and not even type in username and password and still play on servers wherein onlinemode = false was a thing. I just humbly asked you to supply some sort of legal paper on whether or not onlinemode false is to be considered piracy. A server being in offlinemode is not illegal, I can’t be any more clear than that. Using a cracked Minecraft client IS illegal, because you are using an unauthorized copy of paid software. I also never claimed an offlinemode server was illegal.
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Post by Darth on Apr 29, 2020 17:06:52 GMT
Forgive me if I wasn’t properly explaining myself. I didn’t mean an offline Minecraft server was illegal, I meant using pirated software (which is what a cracked Minecraft client is) is illegal. The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down, not so people can play cracked Minecraft. I doubt this will ever be enforced but my objection is a matter of personal principle (I don’t condone usage of illegal/illegally obtained software This server has never condoned illegal software, even when we were cracked: that is why we don't advertise or link to any client that allows you to play cracked Minecraft. We assume in good faith that everyone using a cracked account also owns a premium one. I think that is reasonable, because assuming the opposite is similar to assuming everyone you come across on the street is a criminal. I will reevaluate my vote if the technical issues can be resolved.
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Post by miwo on Apr 29, 2020 17:08:51 GMT
I don't think you can classify a non-login session in MineCraft as pirating. Otherwise I don't get why Mojang would've let you play the game whilst offline (you at least used to be able to as far as I can recall). "The offlinemode setting in the server properties is there so people can still play in the event that the account authentication servers at Mojang go down" - Wouldn't that mean that the server is cracked at that point? Again, I am fairly certain that you could simply choose "play offline" and not even type in username and password and still play on servers wherein onlinemode = false was a thing. I just humbly asked you to supply some sort of legal paper on whether or not onlinemode false is to be considered piracy. Using a cracked Minecraft client IS illegal, And I have since the start of our conversation continually asked for a source for this claim. And you have yet to explain how the sentence "So setting onlinemode to false is piracy?" is a false equivalence
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Post by Video on Apr 29, 2020 17:29:40 GMT
if you own that game but get a cracked version of it for any reason other than sharing, is it piracy? In some cases, no. If you are getting a cracked version of a game which you do not legally own, then it is piracy. However, if you are getting a cracked version of a game so that you legally and legitimately own (like if you don't want to deal with the shitty DRM that comes along with it), then it is not piracy.
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Post by square on Apr 29, 2020 18:26:55 GMT
if you own that game but get a cracked version of it for any reason other than sharing, is it piracy? In some cases, no. If you are getting a cracked version of a game which you do not legally own, then it is piracy. However, if you are getting a cracked version of a game so that you legally and legitimately own (like if you don't want to deal with the shitty DRM that comes along with it), then it is not piracy. "However, if you are getting a cracked version of a game so that you legally and legitimately own (like if you don't want to deal with the shitty DRM that comes along with it), then it is not piracy."when you are buying a game, you are not buying the game: you are buying the license to it and the copy to play it with. with this, there are rules on what you can't do as it is a license: some games, as i said, do not allow you to do this as it is up to them with what you do. it is also up to the laws of the country, and so usually it's up to the morality of the person. tl;dr: you do not own the game, usually game EULAs detail how it's a license and so you may have only bought that copy on that cd: you pay for one copy.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 29, 2020 18:34:07 GMT
Conversation about EULAs and piracy is irrelevant concern trolling. This server has had offline-mode set to false for almost an entire decade and I don't think Mojang is calling up their lawyers to shut down Minecraft servers for using a server option that they themselves put for a reason. There is zero "condoning of piracy" which arises from enabling cracked mode again. Per Steven's analogy, if setting offline-mode to false is condoning piracy under the assumption that cracked users that would join the server don't also have a premium account, then you may as well think of any person you see on the street as a criminal by that same logic.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Apr 29, 2020 19:17:13 GMT
In some cases, no. If you are getting a cracked version of a game which you do not legally own, then it is piracy. However, if you are getting a cracked version of a game so that you legally and legitimately own (like if you don't want to deal with the shitty DRM that comes along with it), then it is not piracy. "However, if you are getting a cracked version of a game so that you legally and legitimately own (like if you don't want to deal with the shitty DRM that comes along with it), then it is not piracy."when you are buying a game, you are not buying the game: you are buying the license to it and the copy to play it with. with this, there are rules on what you can't do as it is a license: some games, as i said, do not allow you to do this as it is up to them with what you do. it is also up to the laws of the country, and so usually it's up to the morality of the person. tl;dr: you do not own the game, usually game EULAs detail how it's a license and so you may have only bought that copy on that cd: you pay for one copy. You are correct, but we don't need to worry about how it works for some games, only how it works for Minecraft: Java Edition. If you've ever used a modpack launcher, you may have noticed that you can have multiple installations of the game with just one premium account, so there is no limitation like that.
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