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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 28, 2020 2:19:27 GMT
PLEASE GOD NO, YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW MUCH THE CRACKED SYSTEM WOULD BREAK STUFF AAAAAAAA sorry, heres the reason why online mode is currently (and most likely will continue being) still on: basicly, joker, the one and only, decided to abuse the verification system a lot, he would log on from other ops names and just do /playerverification enable, and then log off, and once he logged off, there was nothing we could do without modifying the playerdata files, meaning that the ops that he logged into would be locked out of their accounts preventing them from ever playing totalfreedom again, on top of this, having cracked players completely breaks UUID's meaning that we would have to essentialy rewrite the /shop system (im pretty sure), theres also a number of other reasons, such as an increase of greifers, bot attacks, easier to ban evade, ect,ect. smp had nothing to do with the server becoming premium only TL;DR: there are more cons then pros to this so object Again, technology issue. We've had the dreaded "cracked system" for about a decade, we had the verification system (which, also, is pointless to even have if it's in premium, so why would it be an excuse here?) for more of the very recent history of this server. I posted a suggestion for player verification which was shot down by the verification experts which insisted the system was fine, so there you go if the problem is that the "verification system isn't good enough."
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Post by Fleek on Apr 28, 2020 2:20:38 GMT
There are some several reasons why TF's online mode has been enabled.
1. Plots - they are UUID-based and the UUID in offline mode won't work. 2. Bungeecord (no longer relevant) - SMP and TF, SMP has been moved to a different VPS.
I object.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Apr 28, 2020 2:25:13 GMT
PLEASE GOD NO, YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW MUCH THE CRACKED SYSTEM WOULD BREAK STUFF AAAAAAAA sorry, heres the reason why online mode is currently (and most likely will continue being) still on: basicly, joker, the one and only, decided to abuse the verification system a lot, he would log on from other ops names and just do /playerverification enable, and then log off, and once he logged off, there was nothing we could do without modifying the playerdata files, meaning that the ops that he logged into would be locked out of their accounts preventing them from ever playing totalfreedom again, on top of this, having cracked players completely breaks UUID's meaning that we would have to essentialy rewrite the /shop system (im pretty sure), theres also a number of other reasons, such as an increase of greifers, bot attacks, easier to ban evade, ect,ect. smp had nothing to do with the server becoming premium only TL;DR: there are more cons then pros to this so object Again, technology issue. We've had the dreaded "cracked system" for about a decade, we had the verification system (which, also, is pointless to even have if it's in premium, so why would it be an excuse here?) for more of the very recent history of this server. I posted a suggestion for player verification which was shot down by the verification experts which insisted the system was fine, so there you go if the problem is that the "verification system isn't good enough." interesting, what was this perposed suggestion for a better verification system
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Post by Video on Apr 28, 2020 2:25:57 GMT
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 28, 2020 2:26:07 GMT
There are some several reasons why TF's online mode has been enabled. 1. Plots - they are UUID-based and the UUID in offline mode won't work. 2. Bungeecord (no longer relevant) - SMP and TF, SMP has been moved to a different VPS. I object. Plot issue can be solved through a simple identifier system for players, which we should already have (or should've already had).
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Apr 28, 2020 2:29:32 GMT
There are some several reasons why TF's online mode has been enabled. 1. Plots - they are UUID-based and the UUID in offline mode won't work. 2. Bungeecord (no longer relevant) - SMP and TF, SMP has been moved to a different VPS. I object. Plot issue can be solved through a simple identifier system for players, which we should already have (or should've already had). while this could technicaly be done, idk if seth is willing to make a fork of plotsquared just for this one thing
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 28, 2020 2:31:14 GMT
Again, technology issue. We've had the dreaded "cracked system" for about a decade, we had the verification system (which, also, is pointless to even have if it's in premium, so why would it be an excuse here?) for more of the very recent history of this server. I posted a suggestion for player verification which was shot down by the verification experts which insisted the system was fine, so there you go if the problem is that the "verification system isn't good enough." interesting, what was this perposed suggestion for a better verification system totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/64722/allow-ops-verifyWhich was a suggestion that would've had a system a lot more convenient for players than the one already in practice.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Apr 28, 2020 2:42:28 GMT
if im not mistaken, the current one already is ip based, and works for ops like it does with admins, as long as they opt-in, the problem that caused us to go into onlinemode is about ops who never bothered to opt-in, dispite us encouraging people to do so
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 28, 2020 2:52:46 GMT
if im not mistaken, the current one already is ip based, and works for ops like it does with admins, as long as they opt-in, the problem that caused us to go into onlinemode is about ops who never bothered to opt-in, dispite us encouraging people to do so So? Just compare the IPs.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Apr 28, 2020 3:54:07 GMT
I object. The server went to premium long before SMP and TF were bungeed. That wasn't the problem.
It was due that offline mode breaks UUIDs. If we were to switch to cracked, the shop and verification system would have to be rewritten in TFM. One of the biggest changes in TFM 5.0 was the removal of the UUID system. It was written in something like 4.2 or 4.3 (I forget). There were many problems with it. Also, PlotSquared is UUID based and the plotworld would break and have to be removed for offline mode.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Apr 28, 2020 7:23:00 GMT
Since everybody is mentioning technical issues, does anyone know at what point we decided to start adding things that require the server to be permanently premium?
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Post by Simpson_Manor on Apr 28, 2020 11:12:08 GMT
The good way is the players are frozen at the beginning and the server will notify you to enable your verification by using /linkdiscord and then join their server then dm the bot a verification code. Once they are done, they are now free to play the server. "Hello %player_name%, to avoid impersonation please follow those steps in the command: /verificationtutorial" "Here are the steps to enable verification: 1. Join our discord server by using this link: discord.gg/P844dJb2. Go ingame and type the command /linkdiscord and the server will notify you a verify code 3. DM the TotalFreedom Bot in the server next to Some Dragon bot the verification code. 4. Once you're done, you'll be unfrozen and you are free to play the server!"
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Post by Fleek on Apr 28, 2020 11:27:12 GMT
Since everybody is mentioning technical issues, does anyone know at what point we decided to start adding things that require the server to be permanently premium? I'm pretty sure when we first started using plots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 12:26:38 GMT
The good way is the players are frozen at the beginning and the server will notify you to enable your verification by using /linkdiscord and then join their server then dm the bot a verification code. Once they are done, they are now free to play the server. "Hello %player_name%, to avoid impersonation please follow those steps in the command: /verificationtutorial" "Here are the steps to enable verification: 1. Join our discord server by using this link: discord.gg/P844dJb2. Go ingame and type the command /linkdiscord and the server will notify you a verify code 3. DM the TotalFreedom Bot in the server next to Some Dragon bot the verification code. 4. Once you're done, you'll be unfrozen and you are free to play the server!" There is a problem with making everyone use Discord authentication. We have players that are 8 or 9 that can't use Discord either because of their age or they don't know what it is.
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Post by Alco RS11 on Apr 28, 2020 12:32:34 GMT
I Object. There's more cons to pros with onlinemode off.
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