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Post by Super on Feb 17, 2019 23:15:25 GMT
If a former inactive admin wants to get their status back, what will they have to do?
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Post by fionn on Feb 17, 2019 23:17:18 GMT
"the reason i'm partially annoyed is because we worked to get clan, and now those who didn't work hard to get clan (aka didnt get clan) can apply for senior straight up
even as a title"
that's my only reason i'm not really the most pro-active about this change
otherwise it's alright i suppose
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:23:55 GMT
If a former inactive admin wants to get their status back, what will they have to do? They will have to re-earn their rank. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:25:02 GMT
(aka didnt get clan) can apply for senior straight up Not true. Senior applications are going to be far more restricted, and anyone who gets it is someone who absolutely deserved it. Just because they didn't earn clan, doesn't mean they won't have earned their senior rank. |
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Post by je isnt hapi on Feb 17, 2019 23:25:36 GMT
all clans should be senior ez pz cmv
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:26:23 GMT
all clans should be senior ez pz cmv Telnet clans are far closer to regular telnets in terms of skill level. The point of this is to *reduce* the amount of seniors, not increase it. |
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Post by je isnt hapi on Feb 17, 2019 23:28:49 GMT
hold on what the fuck tcas may be moved down to super?  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:29:56 GMT
hold on what the fuck tcas may be moved down to super???????? No? TCA's will be moved down to Telnet, unless people wanted the Telnet role to be removed, which seems unlikely. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 17, 2019 23:30:43 GMT
@creeperseth
I very much appreciate this change. This has been a long time coming for many years, even if it isn't popular. I posted a suggestion a couple months ago which is still open where part of it was to remove the Telnet Clan rank, and it was meant with a hefty majority against it. I think big structural change is something that won't happen with democratic support, because people get very comfortable with the present state of everything, which is why we have been stagnating for years.
I feel partially responsible for the reason why the rank exists. I believe the rank was introduced in either early 2014 or late 2013, and before it was introduced, I had access to "Clan" despite not being a senior admin because I was a developer. Mark didn't believe in having people having special powers, and senior admin then was a lot more prestigious than it is now, so Telnet Clan was created. I never supported it and it was a lot more hated then than it is now.
I do have some questions, though.
1: What will the former Telnet Clan admins that become Telnet admins gain from previously having the position? Nothing? I have no problem if the answer to this question literally is "nothing", but it is something that should be thought of.
2: What is going to happen with the reinstatement system? Reinstatement applications right now are the only possible way for old admins to get their rank back. Are they going to have to start up from the bottom again? If so, I disagree with this course of action except in very special cases as Mark would enforce. I would agree with making reinstatement applications all require votes regardless of if the removal was inactivity, however.
3: Does this affect charter admins at all? I highly disagree with people that have been here since 2011 losing all prestige, but I'm not sure if you are intending this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:34:49 GMT
@creeperseth I very much appreciate this change. This has been a long time coming for many years, even if it isn't popular. I posted a suggestion a couple months ago which is still open where part of it was to remove the Telnet Clan rank, and it was meant with a hefty majority against it. I think big structural change is something that won't happen with democratic support, because people get very comfortable with the present state of everything, which is why we have been stagnating for years. I feel partially responsible for the reason why the rank exists. I believe the rank was introduced in either early 2014 or late 2013, and before it was introduced, I had access to "Clan" despite not being a senior admin because I was a developer. Mark didn't believe in having people having special powers, and senior admin then was a lot more prestigious than it is now, so Telnet Clan was created. I never supported it and it was a lot more hated then than it is now. I do have some questions, though. 1: What will the former Telnet Clan admins that become Telnet admins gain from previously having the position? Nothing? I have no problem if the answer to this question literally is "nothing", but it is something that should be thought of. 2: What is going to happen with the reinstatement system? Reinstatement applications right now are the only possible way for old admins to get their rank back. Are they going to have to start up from the bottom again? If so, I disagree with this course of action except in very special cases as Mark would enforce. I would agree with making reinstatement applications all require votes regardless of if the removal was inactivity, however. 3: Does this affect charter admins at all? I highly disagree with people that have been here since 2011 losing all prestige, but I'm not sure if you are intending this. 1. As of now, there is no compensation. 2. There are no application reinstatements, you will have to contact the owner or the executive admin. 3. Yes this does affect charter admins. As a charter admin myself, I believe in getting rid of inactive admins. The point of being an admin is to actually do the job, and we are not. We will still have the rank of charter admin, we just will not be an admin. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:37:32 GMT
tbh the only thing i just ask for is the light green color, period
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 17, 2019 23:40:25 GMT
@creeperseth I very much appreciate this change. This has been a long time coming for many years, even if it isn't popular. I posted a suggestion a couple months ago which is still open where part of it was to remove the Telnet Clan rank, and it was meant with a hefty majority against it. I think big structural change is something that won't happen with democratic support, because people get very comfortable with the present state of everything, which is why we have been stagnating for years. I feel partially responsible for the reason why the rank exists. I believe the rank was introduced in either early 2014 or late 2013, and before it was introduced, I had access to "Clan" despite not being a senior admin because I was a developer. Mark didn't believe in having people having special powers, and senior admin then was a lot more prestigious than it is now, so Telnet Clan was created. I never supported it and it was a lot more hated then than it is now. I do have some questions, though. 1: What will the former Telnet Clan admins that become Telnet admins gain from previously having the position? Nothing? I have no problem if the answer to this question literally is "nothing", but it is something that should be thought of. 2: What is going to happen with the reinstatement system? Reinstatement applications right now are the only possible way for old admins to get their rank back. Are they going to have to start up from the bottom again? If so, I disagree with this course of action except in very special cases as Mark would enforce. I would agree with making reinstatement applications all require votes regardless of if the removal was inactivity, however. 3: Does this affect charter admins at all? I highly disagree with people that have been here since 2011 losing all prestige, but I'm not sure if you are intending this. 1. As of now, there is no compensation. 2. There are no application reinstatements, you will have to contact the owner or the executive admin. 3. Yes this does affect charter admins. As a charter admin myself, I believe in getting rid of inactive admins. The point of being an admin is to actually do the job, and we are not. We will still have the rank of charter admin, we just will not be an admin. 1: Fair. 2: This seems to go in more of a backwards direction than a forward direction. Instead of having a semi-democratic process (I think reinstatements should require votes in all circumstances), you're having an anti-democratic process up to the will of two people. 3: Why have the rank of senior admin or charter admin at all then? The entire point is that you have people that have been around for many years, and if you're mandating 5 day activity and not having a reinstatement process then you're sort of removing the purpose of the rank. If FrankL who was literally one of the first people to ever be here at all returns, then I disagree with him being treated as somebody who just joined but with a title. I don't think we should completely steer away from Mark's vision, I think that we should improve it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:43:10 GMT
1. As of now, there is no compensation. 2. There are no application reinstatements, you will have to contact the owner or the executive admin. 3. Yes this does affect charter admins. As a charter admin myself, I believe in getting rid of inactive admins. The point of being an admin is to actually do the job, and we are not. We will still have the rank of charter admin, we just will not be an admin. 1: Fair. 2: This seems to go in more of a backwards direction than a forward direction. Instead of having a semi-democratic process (I think reinstatements should require votes in all circumstances), you're having an anti-democratic process up to the will of two people. 3: Why have the rank of senior admin or charter admin at all then? The entire point is that you have people that have been around for many years, and if you're mandating 5 day activity and not having a reinstatement process then you're sort of removing the purpose of the rank. If FrankL who was literally one of the first people to ever be here at all returns, then I disagree with him being treated as somebody who just joined but with a title. I don't think we should completely steer away from Mark's vision, I think that we should improve it. if you wanna stay as senior then actually pull your weight what have you done realistically, other than voting on things like the owner, to administrate? like you don't even have a minecraft account, and on your reinstatement you put n/a on 'what is your name' totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/62631/timeas zekurt said, charter admin isn't necessarily an actual admin but can still be charter if you get me |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 23:43:16 GMT
1. As of now, there is no compensation. 2. There are no application reinstatements, you will have to contact the owner or the executive admin. 3. Yes this does affect charter admins. As a charter admin myself, I believe in getting rid of inactive admins. The point of being an admin is to actually do the job, and we are not. We will still have the rank of charter admin, we just will not be an admin. 1: Fair. 2: This seems to go in more of a backwards direction than a forward direction. Instead of having a semi-democratic process (I think reinstatements should require votes in all circumstances), you're having an anti-democratic process up to the will of two people. 3: Why have the rank of senior admin or charter admin at all then? The entire point is that you have people that have been around for many years, and if you're mandating 5 day activity and not having a reinstatement process then you're sort of removing the purpose of the rank. If FrankL who was literally one of the first people to ever be here at all returns, then I disagree with him being treated as somebody who just joined but with a title. I don't think we should completely steer away from Mark's vision, I think that we should improve it. I believe the plan with reinstatement's is to do out with them entirely. Admins who resign will no longer be admins, and people who go inactive will not need to reinstate. The point of having the rank of senior admins is to have veteran admins, not veterans. Veterans will still be recognized one way or another, but they do not need to be recognized through an active admin rank. We should all be in favor of purging inactive and useless admins even if it means getting rid of ourselves, and as a charter admin, I want what it best for the server, not what is best for myself. Charter admins will keep their title, but they will not have the title of admin. |
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