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Post by Paldiu on Feb 18, 2019 0:38:18 GMT
I have to agree with Miwo here. Also, I think you guys are now looking too far ahead of yourselves and investing too much effort into this. It isn't fuckin rocket science, you don't need all this complex shit to make this work. There's no need to turn this into a corporation, a simple server with simple ranks, simple rules, and simple activities is really all you need. You're turning this like it's some kind of business, and it's not. It's a video game aimed at people between the ages of 7 and 16 and if you argue with me on that point then please take a step back and look at your own life retrospectively. I'm not trying to take sides here, I'm just trying to keep you from ruining the one family/community I still have left after all these years, you goobers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:43:10 GMT
I have to agree with Miwo here. Also, I think you guys are now looking too far ahead of yourselves and investing too much effort into this. It isn't fuckin rocket science, you don't need all this complex shit to make this work. There's no need to turn this into a corporation, a simple server with simple ranks, simple rules, and simple activities is really all you need. You're turning this like it's some kind of business, and it's not. It's a video game aimed at people between the ages of 7 and 16 and if you argue with me on that point then please take a step back and look at your own life retrospectively. I'm not trying to take sides here, I'm just trying to keep you from ruining the one family/community I still have left after all these years, you goobers. Removing inactive admins does not mean we're suddenly treating this like a business. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:46:38 GMT
What about the Admin World? if the entire point of being Admin is to adminstrate, then why would a world dedicated to building still be here? Why not keep a dedicated world for Master builders, where they can make maps, and then get a new survival/plot-world? For admins to build. I clearly said you can still have fun but you have to be willing to stop what you're doing and help. And, I don't know. Why should we not keep the master builder world? It was your original idea to get rid of it. Because it's actually got a use now that Hockey needs us to build a world? And why can't Admins build in the normal world like everyone else? You said you wanted to treat ops better, how about not giving them a seperate world for a start? |
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Post by Mike on Feb 18, 2019 0:48:22 GMT
If a former inactive admin wants to get their status back, what will they have to do? They will have to re-earn their rank. So reinstatements from inactivity will require a vote before approval? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:49:49 GMT
They will have to re-earn their rank. So reinstatements from inactivity will require a vote before approval? From my understanding of things, reinstatement from resignations are no longer a thing. Admins who resign will have to re-earn their ranks. For admins who went inactive for valid reasons, they will not need to reinstate, they will be auto accepted. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:51:36 GMT
So reinstatements from inactivity will require a vote before approval? From my understanding of things, reinstatement from resignations are no longer a thing. Admins who resign will have to re-earn their ranks. For admins who went inactive for valid reasons, they will not need to reinstate, they will be auto accepted. Why not just give them the ability to reinstate? If they're going to be voted upon either way. |
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Post by Paldiu on Feb 18, 2019 0:52:22 GMT
Do you not understand english or did you just skim through and not actually read what i said? @zegandhi
I said i have to agree with miwo; then I added a completely different thought process and statement to follow right after. Usually a word such as "also" amends for a new thought? if you can't take time to read things through and thoroughly then that raises a right concern for me.
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Post by Mike on Feb 18, 2019 0:52:53 GMT
So reinstatements from inactivity will require a vote before approval? From my understanding of things, reinstatement from resignations are no longer a thing. Admins who resign will have to re-earn their ranks. For admins who went inactive for valid reasons, they will not need to reinstate, they will be auto accepted. That's fair and I agree. Overall, I'm not opposed to any of the changes in principle, but the execution of some of the changes may be difficult. I think having an intermediate rank (TCA) actually makes it harder for admins to reach Senior, esp. with all of the time requirements before you can apply for the next rank. But I guess you can counter this by making Senior application rounds less frequent and accept less people each time. |
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Post by Mike on Feb 18, 2019 0:53:51 GMT
From my understanding of things, reinstatement from resignations are no longer a thing. Admins who resign will have to re-earn their ranks. For admins who went inactive for valid reasons, they will not need to reinstate, they will be auto accepted. Why not just give them the ability to reinstate? If they're going to be voted upon either way. I think in this context, re-earning your role is the same thing as reapplying or submitting a reinstatement application. You still have to go through the same voting process. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:55:13 GMT
Do you not understand english or did you just skim through and not actually read what i said? I said i have to agree with miwo; then I added a completely different thought process and statement to follow right after. Usually a word such as "also" amends for a new thought? if you can't take time to read things through and thoroughly then that raises a right concern for me. Can you cite your reasoning's for why you believe the server is becoming a business? Because this change is entirely removing inactive admins. Instead of being vague as to your actual reasons, perhaps actually be clear? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:57:13 GMT
If you're not an Admin, then you are effectively handicapped in everything you do on the server. That's what we're trying to change. The goal is to give players an actual reason to stay as a player, and not as an admin. We are planning to change the way in which OPs are treated. If you really care about how OPs are treated, you should have tried to do something about it before you faced the prospect of being removed as an admin. Personally, I have long been in favor of treating the OPs better. If you are upset because you're going to be handicapped without admin, but don't care to actually fix that while admin, then you are the exact problem with this server. Why are you implementing this policy before you have made any actual changes to ops? " If you really care about how OPs are treated, you should have tried to do something about it before you faced the prospect of being removed as an admin." - If you actually read my comments previously, you would know that I honestly don't care for my demotion, because I don't adminstrate, but I won't be staying for long unless a variety of changes for ops come. And I have made several attempts to change the state of ops, yet they were never implemented by Windows. " then you are the exact problem with this server." unnessecary comment. The only reason I am Admin is because of me being a charter. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:59:26 GMT
For admins to build. I clearly said you can still have fun but you have to be willing to stop what you're doing and help. And, I don't know. Why should we not keep the master builder world? It was your original idea to get rid of it. Because it's actually got a use now that Hockey needs us to build a world? And why can't Admins build in the normal world like everyone else? You said you wanted to treat ops better, how about not giving them a seperate world for a start? Because some admins want to build things without them getting griefed? Or wiped? Where does it say admins can't build in the normal world like everyone else? If I get a report of admins being disrespectful to ops for no reason at all then I will simply remove them from admin status, simple as that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:59:43 GMT
That's what we're trying to change. The goal is to give players an actual reason to stay as a player, and not as an admin. We are planning to change the way in which OPs are treated. If you really care about how OPs are treated, you should have tried to do something about it before you faced the prospect of being removed as an admin. Personally, I have long been in favor of treating the OPs better. If you are upset because you're going to be handicapped without admin, but don't care to actually fix that while admin, then you are the exact problem with this server. Why are you implementing this policy before you have made any actual changes to ops? And I have made several attempts to change the state of ops, yet they were never implemented by Windows. I have also made several attempts to change that, it was impossible to change anything under Windows. This is being changed first because treatment towards OPs is not an immediate issue (as in it doesn't need to be changed first, it can be changed in a week or so), but they will be handled soon. If you have any exact ideas for what you want to change towards OPs in the meantime, please make suggestions and they can be looked over, this time they will actually be accepted if it's what the community wants. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 1:01:03 GMT
Because it's actually got a use now that Hockey needs us to build a world? And why can't Admins build in the normal world like everyone else? You said you wanted to treat ops better, how about not giving them a seperate world for a start? Because some admins want to build things without them getting griefed? Or wiped? Where does it say admins can't build in the normal world like everyone else? If I get a report of admins being disrespectful to ops for no reason at all then I will simply remove them from admin status, simple as that. "Because some admins want to build things without them getting griefed? Or wiped?" What do you think ops want? Why should Admins be treated differently when it comes to something that has nothing to do with being an Admin. What is the point in having an admin world, when it does pertain to what you're attempting to make Admins what so ever. There is virtually no reason for Admins not to build in the same world as ops except to treat Admins better, and we don't want that know, do we? |
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Post by mibbzz on Feb 18, 2019 1:05:57 GMT
I have to agree with Miwo here. Also, I think you guys are now looking too far ahead of yourselves and investing too much effort into this. It isn't fuckin rocket science, you don't need all this complex shit to make this work. There's no need to turn this into a corporation, a simple server with simple ranks, simple rules, and simple activities is really all you need. You're turning this like it's some kind of business, and it's not. It's a video game aimed at people between the ages of 7 and 16 and if you argue with me on that point then please take a step back and look at your own life retrospectively. I'm not trying to take sides here, I'm just trying to keep you from ruining the one family/community I still have left after all these years, you goobers. I'm sorry but you literally just said nothing here. Your unironically just said "investing too much effort into this" as a negative point. You're right, "it isn't fuckin rocket science" which is why this is an extremely simple plan being laid out. Can you point out anything which is dramamtically too hard to understand here? because I read this once and had a perfect understanding of what Seth was saying, and I'm not rocket scientist. You say "a simple server with simple ranks", while this literally makes the ranks more simple. Literally nothing here is in any ways "turning this like it's some kind of business", and it's literally make it more simplistic than it previously has been. I am actually so confused with what your gripe is here and I'd love to hear a more in depth analysis, because you really gave no actual recommendations or changes you'd like to see here. |
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