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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 1:10:42 GMT
I have to agree with Miwo here. Also, I think you guys are now looking too far ahead of yourselves and investing too much effort into this. It isn't fuckin rocket science, you don't need all this complex shit to make this work. There's no need to turn this into a corporation, a simple server with simple ranks, simple rules, and simple activities is really all you need. You're turning this like it's some kind of business, and it's not. It's a video game aimed at people between the ages of 7 and 16 and if you argue with me on that point then please take a step back and look at your own life retrospectively. I'm not trying to take sides here, I'm just trying to keep you from ruining the one family/community I still have left after all these years, you goobers. I'm sorry but you literally just said nothing here. Your unironically just said "investing too much effort into this" as a negative point. You're right, "it isn't fuckin rocket science" which is why this is an extremely simple plan being laid out. Can you point out anything which is dramamtically too hard to understand here? because I read this once and had a perfect understanding of what Seth was saying, and I'm not rocket scientist. You say "a simple server with simple ranks", while this literally makes the ranks more simple. Literally nothing here is in any ways "turning this like it's some kind of business", and it's literally make it more simplistic than it previously has been. I am actually so confused with what your gripe is here and I'd love to hear a more in depth analysis, because you really gave no actual recommendations or changes you'd like to see here. I literally just asked for more activity and I want to make it harder to get admin. It turns into this. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 18, 2019 1:22:09 GMT
I think I see the problem here, and I completely understand and agree with the objective. The objective is to limit the role of administrator to administration, and everybody who doesn't fit into the textbook definition of that role is simply a member. The problem I see with this is that the incentive to be an administrator hasn't been removed, and I understand that we're trying to do that.
The only condition in which I would support this taking place is if we successfully managed to remove the incentive, and yes, that would include removing the adminworld. You cannot logically support doing this, but also support the existence of an adminworld. That alone is a big incentive to become an admin because everybody wants to build freely, but if your argument is that the adminworld has to stay because admins should be able to build without worry of build damage, then you're giving people a major reason to become an admin so that they can also build freely because you aren't putting the protections in place for regular members to build freely.
Remove the incentives, then this makes sense to me and I agree with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 1:33:33 GMT
I think I see the problem here, and I completely understand and agree with the objective. The objective is to limit the role of administrator to administration, and everybody who doesn't fit into the textbook definition of that role is simply a member. The problem I see with this is that the incentive to be an administrator hasn't been removed, and I understand that we're trying to do that. The only condition in which I would support this taking place is if we successfully managed to remove the incentive, and yes, that would include removing the adminworld. You cannot logically support doing this, but also support the existence of an adminworld. That alone is a big incentive to become an admin because everybody wants to build freely, but if your argument is that the adminworld has to stay because admins should be able to build without worry of build damage, then you're giving people a major reason to become an admin so that they can also build freely because you aren't putting the protections in place for regular members to build freely. Remove the incentives, then this makes sense to me and I agree with it. Removing incentive to becoming an admin is very much going to be our goal. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 18, 2019 1:44:22 GMT
I think I see the problem here, and I completely understand and agree with the objective. The objective is to limit the role of administrator to administration, and everybody who doesn't fit into the textbook definition of that role is simply a member. The problem I see with this is that the incentive to be an administrator hasn't been removed, and I understand that we're trying to do that. The only condition in which I would support this taking place is if we successfully managed to remove the incentive, and yes, that would include removing the adminworld. You cannot logically support doing this, but also support the existence of an adminworld. That alone is a big incentive to become an admin because everybody wants to build freely, but if your argument is that the adminworld has to stay because admins should be able to build without worry of build damage, then you're giving people a major reason to become an admin so that they can also build freely because you aren't putting the protections in place for regular members to build freely. Remove the incentives, then this makes sense to me and I agree with it. Removing incentive to becoming an admin is very much going to be our goal. I just want to make sure there aren't left in "bonuses" to becoming an admin, such as the adminworld or other building abilities. |
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Post by beetlefights on Feb 18, 2019 1:56:40 GMT
What will remain for people in positions assigned to areas such as the Forums and Discord, such as Finest or Section Moderators?
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Post by mychaeljkmax on Feb 18, 2019 1:58:29 GMT
What will remain for people in positions assigned to areas such as the Forums and Discord, such as Finest or Section Moderators? Nobody on this forum has any power to remove finest from his position on the forum, as he's the main admin - if that answers that question. |
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Post by pj on Feb 18, 2019 2:01:31 GMT
So seniors do not get to return as seniors anymore? And there will be absolutely no reinstatements? If you reapply and get accepted, you have to work your way up completely again?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 2:23:28 GMT
So seniors do not get to return as seniors anymore? And there will be absolutely no reinstatements? If you reapply and get accepted, you have to work your way up completely again? There is no longer any concept of 'once a senior, always a senior'. Admins do not get to return as admins if they resigned or were removed for inactivity. If they made an inactivity thread with a valid reason, they will get auto accepted back without needing to reinstate. If you reapply, you have to start from the bottom, yes. Once you've resigned or gone inactive, you're no longer an admin. |
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Post by neroblackcat on Feb 18, 2019 2:38:35 GMT
It is amazing how some of the admins here are disappointed in the removal of inactive people who don't even leave notices. Admins should have reasons to remain as admin, activity being one of them. Are y'all just scared that you fly off the radars too much and your rank is at risk? Seriously, if you aren't active and can't care enough to leave some sort of notice why should you remain as admin on here when you don't care that much?
I've gone inactive a lot, at least I can type something up explaining my inactivity in 30 seconds because I actually care about the community and the way the server is ran, even if life does still hit me pretty hard outside of this community.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 2:39:04 GMT
Removing incentive to becoming an admin is very much going to be our goal. I just want to make sure there aren't left in "bonuses" to becoming an admin, such as the adminworld or other building abilities. Exactly. Admins shouldn't have an improved version of World Edit unless it's ultimately used to help ops (like using blocked blocks) |
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Post by Mike on Feb 18, 2019 2:53:31 GMT
I just want to make sure there aren't left in "bonuses" to becoming an admin, such as the adminworld or other building abilities. Exactly. Admins shouldn't have an improved version of World Edit unless it's ultimately used to help ops (like using blocked blocks) The reason we have blocked many world edit commands is because OPs have used them to grief / crash the server. Obviously, we all would prefer to increase freedom but when a command is abused, it only makes sense to limit access. |
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Post by xfilez on Feb 18, 2019 3:05:53 GMT
So reinstatements from inactivity will require a vote before approval? From my understanding of things, reinstatement from resignations are no longer a thing. Admins who resign will have to re-earn their ranks. For admins who went inactive for valid reasons, they will not need to reinstate, they will be auto accepted. An admin spends years trying to attain their rank as Senior and then lose interest in Minecraft for a couple of months and get's removed. He then goes to reapply again for the server because his interest has built back up for MC. Are you saying he can't have his rank back? Also: In terms of activity during school, what's the go there? It wasn't really addressed in the announcement thread |
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Post by monkeh on Feb 18, 2019 3:19:11 GMT
From my understanding of things, reinstatement from resignations are no longer a thing. Admins who resign will have to re-earn their ranks. For admins who went inactive for valid reasons, they will not need to reinstate, they will be auto accepted. An admin spends years trying to attain their rank as Senior and then lose interest in Minecraft for a couple of months and get's removed. He then goes to reapply again for the server because his interest has built back up for MC. Are you saying he can't have his rank back? Also: In terms of activity during school, what's the go there? It wasn't really addressed in the announcement thread +1 does losing interest in MC count as a valid reason for inactivity? edit im stupid and cant read School should count as a valid reason for inactivity. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 4:10:33 GMT
An admin spends years trying to attain their rank as Senior and then lose interest in Minecraft for a couple of months and get's removed. He then goes to reapply again for the server because his interest has built back up for MC. Are you saying he can't have his rank back? Also: In terms of activity during school, what's the go there? It wasn't really addressed in the announcement thread +1 does losing interest in MC count as a valid reason for inactivity? School should count as a valid reason for inactivity.  |
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Post by Suprmn on Feb 18, 2019 6:43:33 GMT
I think the best option here is to ride it out and trust that even if in the beginning, it's a little rocky, there's no corruption or power trip here. This seems like a genuine move for the betterment of the server and the same people who complained about how many admins there are, are the same ones who now realize they can't stay on forever while doing minimum work. The loudest opposition seems to simultaneously be the ones who consider their status most at risk.... hmmmmmm...  |
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