burger
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Post by burger on Jul 1, 2020 22:49:49 GMT
Hello, I made this thread to point out a problem that needs to be addressed, our servers excessive admin count. Now, this is not a suggestion thread as I don't really have a good solution for this problem but I thought making a thread would be the first step towards taking care of a problem that can be quite annoying at times. I welcome anybody that may have an idea and all brainstorming/suggestions would be appreciated. For those of you that do not know how severe this problem is, here are a few screenshots taken from me and others of the tab list: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/147760648309309440/727985447506018434/2020-07-01_21.33.53.pngcdn.discordapp.com/attachments/653755050480500746/728014134129721414/2020-07-01_11.54.35.pngcdn.discordapp.com/attachments/653755050480500746/728014370612838452/unknown.pngAs you can see in every single one of these screenshots half of the player list (or more) is made up of admins. While there is nothing wrong with this it can be annoying and given that we are planning on having a YouTuber (with millions of views) coming on and making a video with TotalFreedom content I don't think we want our server to fill up constantly because of the mass amount of new players and because of how many admins we have. Something that I have seen others suggest is closing admin applications. I think this is a good start but it is not going to do anything about the mass amount of admins we have right now. This is why I believe we need to start setting stipulations and increasing the level of performance required to uphold your rank. Also, I believe that if an admin is removed for inactivity we do not allow them to reinstate immediately after. This will remove excess admins that may think of Totalfreedom as their "playground" for them to come and relax on. Being an admin on Totalfreedom means you are active and hard working. I am not saying that you are not allowed to have fun because at the end of the day this is a Minecraft server, But you applied for this rank and therefore you should be responsible with what you do with it. Right now doing this is okay and that is what is causing there to be so many admins therefore I propose that we set up a system that removes admins that are not working as hard as they should be. Any Criticism and/or suggestions is welcome. You may think I have the wrong view on things but I don't want this thread to be about what I said. I want it to be a brainstorming thread where we can get together to start working on how we are going to address this problem. have a nice day! :smile: |
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Post by prince on Jul 1, 2020 22:51:31 GMT
yall should really hire asian staff omg you know how dry the server is whenever im online?  ? |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 22:53:57 GMT
yall should really hire asian staff omg you know how dry the server is whenever im online? ? Can you put your signature in a spoiler so that it stops breaking the forum rules? |
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Post by elmon on Jul 1, 2020 22:54:43 GMT
If we get a YouTuber on the server and they make a video on us, were going to need a high admin count to be able to deal with the surge in player counts
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Post by prince on Jul 1, 2020 22:55:48 GMT
yall should really hire asian staff omg you know how dry the server is whenever im online? ? Can you put your signature in a spoiler so that it stops breaking the forum rules? sorry it looked really small on the theme im using |
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 22:56:14 GMT
the problem isnt our high admin numbers its our low player count
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Post by burger on Jul 1, 2020 22:57:52 GMT
If we get a YouTuber on the server and they make a video on us, were going to need a high admin count to be able to deal with the surge in player counts Do you really think we need 14 admins online at once to handle 60 players? If we reduced the number of admins and only had those who worked hard administrating we could get away with having 3 admins online dealing with 70 players. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 22:58:41 GMT
Agreed with the points of concern brought up. It's unfortunate that despite the fact that we can clearly see the server crumbling in front of us and declining, we continue to go in favor of removing freedom for players (online mode, restricted building tools, moving away perks to only players that vote or donate), go against any suggested measures designed to simplify or change the admin system to stop this horrible ratio of admins to players, and have failed to address server stability and have had years of inaction. It's almost as if many people in this community would rather us die out than try to put in a real effort to put this server back on the map as it was many years ago, because the admins just simply don't see a problem as long as they have a rank.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 22:59:52 GMT
If we get a YouTuber on the server and they make a video on us, were going to need a high admin count to be able to deal with the surge in player counts Jesus christ, you people are living in a fantasy world. A YouTuber is gonna turn the tide around and cause player retention and max out all our player slots, sure. |
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 23:02:11 GMT
If we get a YouTuber on the server and they make a video on us, were going to need a high admin count to be able to deal with the surge in player counts Do you really think we need 14 admins online at once to handle 60 players? If we reduced the number of admins and only had those who worked hard administrating we could get away with having 3 admins online dealing with 70 players. Its impossible to only have the "hard working" administrators left. Its just not feasible with the resources we have to find out who is the "best" admins are. |
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Post by elmon on Jul 1, 2020 23:03:17 GMT
If we get a YouTuber on the server and they make a video on us, were going to need a high admin count to be able to deal with the surge in player counts Do you really think we need 14 admins online at once to handle 60 players? If we reduced the number of admins and only had those who worked hard administrating we could get away with having 3 admins online dealing with 70 players. that's a really unrealistic sample. 90% of the time we have 0-4 admins on and you took 3 screenshots that were in peak time to make it look worse than it actually is. I remember even back in 2014-2015 peak times would have really bad admin:op ratios. Yes, in practice, we will need quite a few admins to deal with the player surge we will experience from a YouTuber joining. No one is expected to administrate all day and so we can't control when admins are on. There will naturally be peak times and I can guarantee you that like 90% of the time, there are more ops than admins online. |
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Post by SupItsDillon on Jul 1, 2020 23:03:21 GMT
Or... we can just get rid of you and the problem doesn’t get pointed out.
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ONT: it is a serious problem I’ve noticed in the past few years as our player base has fluctuated. Other than getting rid of admins, I don’t think there’s any other short term solution. I agree in that we should freeze admin applications for a while as obviously we don’t need any more admins at the moment. I don’t agree that we should raise the activity requirements either, as it’s a problem in itself of if loads of admins are trying to get their activity up, then loads of admins will be on at the same time.
When I was an admin on a popular Garrys Mod dark rp server, we had this thing where you could go on duty and off duty. I feel as if this could incorporated in some way so if an admin was to go off duty, their name would be the normal color in the tab list, alongside that unless completely necessary, no admin duties should be carried out whilst off duty. There could also be some kind of activity checker which sees for how long an admin has been on duty in a given month, which would make it really easy to distinguish admin duties vs playing normally. It means that even though there’s 10 admins on at a time, for example, say 6 or 7 could be off duty whilst the other 3 are administrating, and could switch after a while.
Obviously that system in no way could be implemented fully overnight, however I think it’s a good start to, at least control the perception of how many admins are actually there to help. Yes, it can and probably will cause arguments between admins, but literally anything does nowadays lmao.
If this SalC1 video does pull through, which I am very excited for, then the player base will increase, and the need for more admins will be greater, but until then, something else needs to be put in place, it’s annoying when 4 admins go to punish the same player at the same time.
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Jul 1, 2020 23:04:20 GMT
Do you really think we need 14 admins online at once to handle 60 players? If we reduced the number of admins and only had those who worked hard administrating we could get away with having 3 admins online dealing with 70 players. Its impossible to only have the "hard working" administrators left. Its just not feasible with the resources we have to find out who is the "best" admins are. ontop of this "best" is really subjective and imo you can't be the "best" admin because most scenarios related to administration on TF is unique |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 23:07:21 GMT
Do you really think we need 14 admins online at once to handle 60 players? If we reduced the number of admins and only had those who worked hard administrating we could get away with having 3 admins online dealing with 70 players. Its impossible to only have the "hard working" administrators left. Its just not feasible with the resources we have to find out who is the "best" admins are. Anyone can be an effective admin. The issue is that you are only encouraged to be on this server to administrate it, and therefore we do not have a player base, we have an admin base (including former admins in this list) and some guests that the admins watch over. It's gotten to this point over many years and the current admin team does not see a reason to change it because they have their status, and therefore this server will continue to decline as people will sooner vote to remove player freedom than they will create an actually functional admin system and freedom server experience which rakes and retains a real player base. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 23:10:13 GMT
Do you really think we need 14 admins online at once to handle 60 players? If we reduced the number of admins and only had those who worked hard administrating we could get away with having 3 admins online dealing with 70 players. that's a really unrealistic sample. 90% of the time we have 0-4 admins on and you took 3 screenshots that were in peak time to make it look worse than it actually is. I remember even back in 2014-2015 peak times would have really bad admin:op ratios. Yes, in practice, we will need quite a few admins to deal with the player surge we will experience from a YouTuber joining. No one is expected to administrate all day and so we can't control when admins are on. There will naturally be peak times and I can guarantee you that like 90% of the time, there are more ops than admins online. Haha, go ahead and compare the slots of the server at prime time right now compared to how it always was back in those years. I just went to the website now at 7 PM EST on July 1st and it's 11 players (numerous admins), that's a fat failure in my book and the wash of players that an individual YouTube video will bring in will not fix that long-term. There are real solutions that can be considered. People intentionally take the easy way out instead of considering them. |
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