XxChrisProxX
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Post by XxChrisProxX on Dec 2, 2018 21:44:20 GMT
All this drama just makes me sad and wonder why everyone nowadays is so disrespectful and can't settle things up in a nice way.. I do not want hate but seriously just grow up. I agree in some way with the general topic but It is really annoying seeing so much hate. This thread to be honest should not be made and should only be handled via message towards other executives that are active or even Windows. By making such thread, what you do results in unnecessary drama. Stop being so childish and learn how to deal with things such this one in a professional and proper way. This here is the opposite of proper. Of course we do have the right to speak up our opinions but do it so in a nice and friendly way. Moreover, this problem hasn't started this year. It's been here since 2016 in the same level as it was. Yes of course changes should be made where required but don't expect to end this up with an attitude like yours. Seriously now..(Don't quote me, message me if something I said concerns you).
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Post by Violet on Dec 2, 2018 21:45:34 GMT
what else can i do - bring it up with inFAmas? lol posting in senior help does nothing either we've both cooled down. We can discuss this in DMs at a later point. absolutely. i appreciate the respectful attitude.
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Post by serrif on Dec 2, 2018 21:58:20 GMT
All this drama just makes me sad and wonder why everyone nowadays is so disrespectful and can't settle things up in a nice way.. I do not want hate but seriously just grow up. I agree in some way with the general topic but It is really annoying seeing so much hate. This thread to be honest should not be made and should only be handled via message towards other executives that are active or even Windows. By making such thread, what you do results in unnecessary drama. Stop being so childish and learn how to deal with things such this one in a professional and proper way. This here is the opposite of proper. Of course we do have the right to speak up our opinions but do it so in a nice and friendly way. Moreover, this problem hasn't started this year. It's been here since 2016 in the same level as it was. Yes of course changes should be made where required but don't expect to end this up with an attitude like yours. Seriously now..(Don't quote me, message me if something I said concerns you). No, I will quote you. This thread is public much for the same reasons this reply is public, for everyone to see it. Here's the evidence. Here's what we think. I'm not hiding behind closed doors. If you're also mature, don't use the word "drama". It's an umbrella term for avoiding the actual issues. Is your post not guaranteed to start an argument?
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Post by kai on Dec 2, 2018 22:06:33 GMT
#tfrevolution2018
i really fucking agree with this. it's about damn time we took some action to try and change the rules here. i've been begging for not only a change in the executive team, but a change in the admin team as well. it's about damn time.
EDIT: I'd like to add onto this as well. Along with a change in the executive team, as in removing the inactive ones that haven't even glanced at the forums in the past month, I'd like to finally implement the idea that we need to stop accepting everybody as an admin.
Not only is the server going down, but it's because of the shitty people we constantly recruit. I want to turn a new leaf, get rid of the abusive old, and keep what we have. Please, for the love of god, please stop letting people apply. Stop have year-round super admin applications when the team we have now is perfectly qualified.
There is no reason in the world to constantly bring in new people to the admin team when the one we have now is about 40-50% of our playerbase. Stop. At this point, it's not just free-op, it's almost guaranteed free admin if you behave well enough and are intelligent enough.
Please. I'm sick of bringing in idiotic, abusive and power-hungry newbies just because they're wanting the title admin. And I'm sick of seeing a new admin application every day, I'm sick of seeing our admin team grow to at least 50 players. There's no need for these many admins when we get a maximum of 30 players on a good day. Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.
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XxChrisProxX
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Post by XxChrisProxX on Dec 2, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
All this drama just makes me sad and wonder why everyone nowadays is so disrespectful and can't settle things up in a nice way.. I do not want hate but seriously just grow up. I agree in some way with the general topic but It is really annoying seeing so much hate. This thread to be honest should not be made and should only be handled via message towards other executives that are active or even Windows. By making such thread, what you do results in unnecessary drama. Stop being so childish and learn how to deal with things such this one in a professional and proper way. This here is the opposite of proper. Of course we do have the right to speak up our opinions but do it so in a nice and friendly way. Moreover, this problem hasn't started this year. It's been here since 2016 in the same level as it was. Yes of course changes should be made where required but don't expect to end this up with an attitude like yours. Seriously now..(Don't quote me, message me if something I said concerns you). No, I will quote you. This thread is public much for the same reasons this reply is public, for everyone to see it. Here's the evidence. Here's what we think. I'm not hiding behind closed doors. If you're also mature, don't use the word "drama". It's an umbrella term for avoiding the actual issues. Is your post not guaranteed to start an argument? First of all, I did not obviously used the word "drama" to eschew the actual issues. Yes someone can start an argument over my post and that's why I told you not to quote me but to message me and now basically you are starting this up. By refusing to messaging me you show imaturity which shouldn't even exist in a position such you are. If you don't have anything to say related to what I stated and not only related to the last sentence, then you shouldn't even quoting me. I would also like to add that I did not say that I disagree about having some mandatory changes to the current executive list but just say your opinion in a friendly and nice way rather than being hateful and disrespectful.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Dec 2, 2018 22:12:18 GMT
All this drama just makes me sad and wonder why everyone nowadays is so disrespectful and can't settle things up in a nice way.. I do not want hate but seriously just grow up. I agree in some way with the general topic but It is really annoying seeing so much hate. This thread to be honest should not be made and should only be handled via message towards other executives that are active or even Windows. By making such thread, what you do results in unnecessary drama. Stop being so childish and learn how to deal with things such this one in a professional and proper way. This here is the opposite of proper. Of course we do have the right to speak up our opinions but do it so in a nice and friendly way. Moreover, this problem hasn't started this year. It's been here since 2016 in the same level as it was. Yes of course changes should be made where required but don't expect to end this up with an attitude like yours. Seriously now..(Don't quote me, message me if something I said concerns you). Alright, I've been waiting for this one. You say it's "really annoying seeing so much hate", although I don't think anybody here 'hates' inFAmas as a person. The problem is the way that he performs his executive roles, and it is perfectly fair to scrutinize that. Then you say that the thread shouldn't have even been made, and should've just been handled in messages. Basically, just the old "move it to PM" which has been circulated in meta discussions here for the past 4 years. Notice though, of all the times that somebody has used that argument, handling these problems in PM has never actually solved something. It's gotten to the point where it is important to have these discussions in public. Then you drop the biggest buzzword in the 8 years history of this server, 'drama'. While it is fair to call this drama, it creates the usual logical fallacy that any drama is inherently unnecessary or bad. This is not true. When there are multiple threads of people presenting ways to reform the executive system, there is a gaping problem and that cannot just be shut down by calling it unnecessary drama. You also call it childish and unprofessional, and while that would be nice the executives aren't exactly handling these issues in a professional way in the first place. It has gotten to the point where we *need* to do this. The problem is that if we handled problems your way then nothing would get done. If we just pm'd inFAmas kindly presenting our issues, nothing would actually change. We need to create these threads and have talk about this in public and make sure that the executives are well aware that we demand actual change, we can't just have a polite tea party where we raise our pinkies and never swear.
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Post by serrif on Dec 2, 2018 22:13:19 GMT
No, I will quote you. This thread is public much for the same reasons this reply is public, for everyone to see it. Here's the evidence. Here's what we think. I'm not hiding behind closed doors. If you're also mature, don't use the word "drama". It's an umbrella term for avoiding the actual issues. Is your post not guaranteed to start an argument? First of all, I did not obviously used the word "drama" to eschew the actual issues. Yes someone can start an argument over my post and that's why I told you not to quote me but to message me and now basically you are starting this up. By refusing to messaging me you show imaturity which shouldn't even exist in a position such you are. If you don't have anything to say related to what I stated and not only related to the last sentence, then you shouldn't even quoting me. Then don't make the public post at all- it isn't hard. It's immature how? The entire reason for this thread's existence is to address actual changes we need to be making. It is absolutely not the place for private discourse. If that's the route you want to take, I'd ask you not to comment at all. You also spelled immaturity incorrectly. But it is related to what you stated, you're just too incompetent to understand that. Instead of making a useful comment to the actual thread, you decided to comment about how others are commenting. Report the posts, that's why the button is there. Is it not the time to be angry? We've tried to make change after change after change and have been ignored. I don't blame anyone for being blunt, angry or frankly disrespectful.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Dec 2, 2018 22:13:46 GMT
#tfrevolution2018 i really fucking agree with this. it's about damn time we took some action to try and change the rules here. i've been begging for not only a change in the executive team, but a change in the admin team as well. it's about damn time. EDIT: I'd like to add onto this as well. Along with a change in the executive team, as in removing the inactive ones that haven't even glanced at the forums in the past month, I'd like to finally implement the idea that we need to stop accepting everybody as an admin.Not only is the server going down, but it's because of the shitty people we constantly recruit. I want to turn a new leaf, get rid of the abusive old, and keep what we have. Please, for the love of god, please stop letting people apply. Stop have year-round super admin applications when the team we have now is perfectly qualified. There is no reason in the world to constantly bring in new people to the admin team when the one we have now is about 40-50% of our playerbase. Stop. At this point, it's not just free-op, it's almost guaranteed free admin if you behave well enough and are intelligent enough. Please. I'm sick of bringing in idiotic, abusive and power-hungry newbies just because they're wanting the title admin. And I'm sick of seeing a new admin application every day, I'm sick of seeing our admin team grow to at least 50 players. There's no need for these many admins when we get a maximum of 30 players on a good day. Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk. We need to do things one thing at a time, and the most pressing issue right now is the executive team that basically filibusters all ideas to change and fix the actual problems here. After we deal with that, we can worry about changing the other issues.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Dec 2, 2018 22:15:03 GMT
No, I will quote you. This thread is public much for the same reasons this reply is public, for everyone to see it. Here's the evidence. Here's what we think. I'm not hiding behind closed doors. If you're also mature, don't use the word "drama". It's an umbrella term for avoiding the actual issues. Is your post not guaranteed to start an argument? First of all, I did not obviously used the word "drama" to eschew the actual issues. Yes someone can start an argument over my post and that's why I told you not to quote me but to message me and now basically you are starting this up. By refusing to messaging me you show imaturity which shouldn't even exist in a position such you are. If you don't have anything to say related to what I stated and not only related to the last sentence, then you shouldn't even quoting me. I would also like to add that I did not say that I disagree about having some mandatory changes to the current executive list but just say your opinion in a friendly and nice way rather than being hateful and disrespectful. Nobody is going to message you. I have not heard of a single time in the history of this forum where when somebody invokes the "move it to PM" it actually moves to PM, it just shuts down conversation.
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Post by Violet on Dec 2, 2018 22:16:04 GMT
First of all, I did not obviously used the word "drama" to eschew the actual issues. Yes someone can start an argument over my post and that's why I told you not to quote me but to message me and now basically you are starting this up. By refusing to messaging me you show imaturity which shouldn't even exist in a position such you are. If you don't have anything to say related to what I stated and not only related to the last sentence, then you shouldn't even quoting me. I would also like to add that I did not say that I disagree about having some mandatory changes to the current executive list but just say your opinion in a friendly and nice way rather than being hateful and disrespectful. Nobody is going to message you. I have not heard of a single time in the history of this forum where when somebody invokes the "move it to PM" it actually moves to PM, it just shuts down conversation. painfully true
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Post by SupItsDillon on Dec 2, 2018 22:32:52 GMT
oh boy, i've been waiting for this one. inFAmas97 has showed a pattern of disrespect and bias towards admins on a personal level. In a case where a Super submits a report with hundreds of lines of evidence, you either ignore it or deny it without fair reason, especially if you don't like said Super personally. However, if a Clan were to PM you just saying "lol exampleadmin said [some racial slur]" you'd warn or suspend them. This abusive behavior isn't seen strictly in admin reports though. As it wasn't mentioned in the original post, Wilee's case is a pretty fucking good one for this example. After realizing your mistake, you refused to admit it and continued to try and take the conversations into PMs to "save yourself." And not to toot my own horn or anything, but my case is a pretty good one too. In the case of ProjectHomebound's report on me, it was instantly recognized and I was warned for toxicity. However, you thought his clear abuse, didn't warrant as much as that. You continued to make a post in Senior Help after one warning saying "Seniors, if violet continues to cause arguments and problems then go ahead and remove her." This was a clearly attacking post aimed at turning people against me, which was weaponized even by an executive to put me down. Log of this: [12:38:01] [Server thread/INFO]: [TotalFreedomMod] [ADMIN] _flippy [Exec]: Seniors, if violet continues to cause arguments and problems then go ahead and remove her and make post it here so we can remove her on the forums. She has been back for less than a week and is already causing some problems, I went ahead and gave her a
[12:38:43] [Server thread/INFO]: [TotalFreedomMod] [ADMIN] _flippy [Exec]: Seniors, if violet continues to cause arguments and problems then go ahead and remove her and make post it here so we can remove her on the forums. She has been back for less than a week and is already causing some problems, I went ahead and gave her a
[12:38:44] [Server thread/INFO]: [TotalFreedomMod] [ADMIN] _flippy [Exec]: Seniors, if violet continues to cause arguments and problems then go ahead and remove her and make post it here so we can remove her on the forums. She has been back for less than a week and is already causing some problems, I went ahead and gave her a
The best part is, after you thought his abuse wasn't enough, you actually looked into the report after a long and painful conversation is Discord, and said it warranted a warning. Screenshot: As far as I'm aware, to this day, he still hasn't been warned. Screenshot: In my opinion, you've overstayed your abusive welcome on this server, just as I had. How about you follow in my footsteps and resign. violetwtf not been following this stuff much now but i agree last year(?) with all of the marco drama i sent a huge pm to the execs with shit tonnes of evidence- it took 8 days to get a half-assed 3 line reply basically saying to deal with it (thats after bumping the pm twice) and as soon as i literally did the smallest thing wrong, they were right on my ass so i just eventually gave up with this toxic shit been saying it for years - if you ride the right dick, you'll be completely fine and you can get away with anything if you dont, then for even trying to voice your opinion, you get fucked edit: just checked the pm from when i was suspended, and in inFAmas' words: 'You claim misconduct on marcos side, but have yet to show any sort of evidence at all' - yet i sent the evidence pm a month earlier?? like wtf
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Post by taah on Dec 2, 2018 23:21:31 GMT
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Post by super on Dec 2, 2018 23:25:25 GMT
this isn't a suggestion or anything that should be voted upon, it's more of a discussion about what has been happening in the community recently. feel free to agree, but i don't find it necessary to vote in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 23:25:33 GMT
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Post by RoboEx on Dec 2, 2018 23:34:45 GMT
Realistically I don't have a dog in this fight what so ever. I've been reinstated for such a short time, that i haven't really witnessed all the things being mentioned, HOWEVER I will say that in the time I've been around, things needing to happen have not happened at all. The master builders are still waiting for a mbw file switch, which was requested almost 3 weeks ago and nothing has happened. Ive seen suggestions ignored and ridiculous conflict between admins that have barely been addressed. I dont necessarily think the exec's should step down, they should just step up.
EDIT: You know those fancy little quotes at the top of the forum pages?
"Order without liberty and liberty without order are equally destructive." "You are free to do what you want but not from the consequences of your actions." "Without reflection, consequences are lost and meaning is void. With reflection, knowledge is gained and meaning is complete."
Ironically it seems these quotes are being ignored.
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