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Post by 1cloud_ on Jun 3, 2020 1:54:03 GMT
Absolutely, pedophiles are not and never will be LGBTQ+. I'm actually an admin on the LGBTA wiki, and wrote an article about the 'mAp PRiDe' bullshit.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 2:08:06 GMT
Absolutely, pedophiles are not and never will be LGBTQ+. I'm actually an admin on the LGBTA wiki, and wrote an article about the 'mAp PRiDe' bullshit. yeah idk why Zaid associated pedophilia with the LGBTQ+ community ?
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Post by 1cloud_ on Jun 3, 2020 2:10:09 GMT
Absolutely, pedophiles are not and never will be LGBTQ+. I'm actually an admin on the LGBTA wiki, and wrote an article about the 'mAp PRiDe' bullshit. yeah idk why Zaid associated pedophilia with the LGBTQ+ community ? Because 4chan started a disinformation campaign to trick allies into supporting pedophiles, and since then pedophiles have been trying to integrate themselves into the community by rebranding themselves as "Minor Attracted People", and the P in "LGBTQIAP+" is often confused with 'pedosexual', but it's there for pansexuals.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 2:10:55 GMT
It's crazy how LGBTQ+ rights really just boil down to human rights and yet people can't respect that. hmmmm, very interesting. I’m sorry but where has anybody said that they don’t respect LGBTQ+ rights (or am I missing a chunk)? And no, it isn’t as simple in some cases as to give them the opposite gender’s rights and call it a day when it is harmful for the opposite gender to give trans people these rights (I am bringing up sport and some other gender exclusive jobs).
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 2:17:28 GMT
It's crazy how LGBTQ+ rights really just boil down to human rights and yet people can't respect that. hmmmm, very interesting. I’m sorry but where has anybody said that they don’t respect LGBTQ+ rights (or am I missing a chunk)? Have you read the thread my man
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 2:19:35 GMT
I’m sorry but where has anybody said that they don’t respect LGBTQ+ rights (or am I missing a chunk)? Have you read the thread my man You didn’t answer my question.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 2:27:00 GMT
It's crazy how LGBTQ+ rights really just boil down to human rights and yet people can't respect that. hmmmm, very interesting. to give them the opposite gender’s rights and call it a day when it is harmful for the opposite gender to give trans people these rights (I am bringing up sport and some other gender exclusive jobs). You’re acting like separate genders have different rights lol. In theory we all have the same rights, no matter what because we’re HUMAN. But I now see why you think you’re “missing a chunk”.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 3, 2020 2:28:55 GMT
It's crazy how LGBTQ+ rights really just boil down to human rights and yet people can't respect that. hmmmm, very interesting. I’m sorry but where has anybody said that they don’t respect LGBTQ+ rights (or am I missing a chunk)? And no, it isn’t as simple in some cases as to give them the opposite gender’s rights and call it a day when it is harmful for the opposite gender to give trans people these rights (I am bringing up sport and some other gender exclusive jobs). Google the difference between sex and gender.
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Post by 1cloud_ on Jun 3, 2020 2:29:11 GMT
Have you read the thread my man You didn’t answer my question. Ashaz outright said he doesn't support LGBTQ+ rights but isn't against it, I'm not sure if this means he just doesn't care or just thinks the situation should stay how it is right now. Zaid is being... zaid. Fleek stated that he refuses to accept others pronouns, which isn't a human right per se but just a matter of him being an asshole to trans people.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 2:31:43 GMT
to give them the opposite gender’s rights and call it a day when it is harmful for the opposite gender to give trans people these rights (I am bringing up sport and some other gender exclusive jobs). You’re acting like separate genders have different rights lol. In theory we all have the same rights, no matter what because we’re HUMAN. But I now see why you think you’re “missing a chunk”. Are you incapable of civil discussion? By rights I’m talking about things that the other genders/sex do not have access to (which some activists fight for) such as the ability to work in women’s sports. We’re human however pitting a biological male in a women’s boxing arena for the sakes of giving everyone rights would usually be unfair for the women involved.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 2:32:17 GMT
I’m sorry but where has anybody said that they don’t respect LGBTQ+ rights (or am I missing a chunk)? And no, it isn’t as simple in some cases as to give them the opposite gender’s rights and call it a day when it is harmful for the opposite gender to give trans people these rights (I am bringing up sport and some other gender exclusive jobs). Google the difference between sex and gender. I mispoke. Apologies, I suppose.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 2:34:04 GMT
You didn’t answer my question. Ashaz outright said he doesn't support LGBTQ+ rights but isn't against it, I'm not sure if this means he just doesn't care or just thinks the situation should stay how it is right now. Zaid is being... zaid. Fleek stated that he refuses to accept others pronouns, which isn't a human right per se but just a matter of him being an asshole to trans people. Supporting a movement doesn’t mean he doesn’t want those people to have human rights. Zaid is being Zaid however I don’t think I saw him dehumanising LGBT people and saying they don’t have rights (quote if wrong) Refusing to call someone something isn’t removing their rights as a person.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 2:37:42 GMT
You’re acting like separate genders have different rights lol. In theory we all have the same rights, no matter what because we’re HUMAN. But I now see why you think you’re “missing a chunk”. Are you incapable of civil discussion? By rights I’m talking about things that the other genders/sex do not have access to (which some activists fight for) such as the ability to work in women’s sports. We’re human however pitting a biological male in a women’s boxing arena for the sakes of giving everyone rights is unfair for the women involved. How am I being uncivil? At this point, you’re acting like an ass towards me. Trans people do not even take up these spots. I’m talking work wise, they don’t suddenly take up the spots of women or men? With the sports that’s a whole other issue that I’m not educated enough on to even talk about it
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Post by 1cloud_ on Jun 3, 2020 2:38:08 GMT
Ashaz outright said he doesn't support LGBTQ+ rights but isn't against it, I'm not sure if this means he just doesn't care or just thinks the situation should stay how it is right now. Zaid is being... zaid. Fleek stated that he refuses to accept others pronouns, which isn't a human right per se but just a matter of him being an asshole to trans people. Supporting a movement doesn’t mean he doesn’t want those people to have human rights. Zaid is being Zaid however I don’t think I saw him dehumanising LGBT people and saying they don’t have rights (quote if wrong) Refusing to call someone something isn’t removing their rights as a person. It doesn't 'remove' their rights as a person, it's just a matter of being an asshole and if it's intentional then it's an act of transphobia which steps on their 2nd human right, which grants people the freedom from discrimination which so many people ignore.
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Post by Zaid on Jun 3, 2020 2:38:14 GMT
Ashaz outright said he doesn't support LGBTQ+ rights but isn't against it, I'm not sure if this means he just doesn't care or just thinks the situation should stay how it is right now. Zaid is being... zaid. Fleek stated that he refuses to accept others pronouns, which isn't a human right per se but just a matter of him being an asshole to trans people. Supporting a movement doesn’t mean he doesn’t want those people to have human rights. Zaid is being Zaid however I don’t think I saw him dehumanising LGBT people and saying they don’t have rights (quote if wrong) Refusing to call someone something isn’t removing their rights as a person. Yeah none of what I said was dehumanizing. If anything, my post was about what I think of the modern LGBT movement and how I disagree with some of the blanket statements they make. It’s not like I started having these views when I made the post, I’ve had them for years now. And even while believing in them, I’ve befriended many people within the LGBT community both here and IRL.
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