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Post by super on Jun 1, 2020 17:24:35 GMT
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Post by mibbzz on Jun 1, 2020 17:43:03 GMT
Deleted a bunch of posts, stay on topic or your comment will be deleted.
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Post by CurtainPoles on Jun 1, 2020 18:47:02 GMT
I didn't mean to look like I represent all Muslims and a keyword is 'boy', I don't understand much and I've only talked with a few LGBT, I am only 14 and I was just interested in everyone's thoughts. I also agree with a lot with Zaid said. It's not that I don't care about them, however there was actually a BBC science article on the fact that there is not a single cell in the human body that makes you gay. There's no cell that makes you straight either? What's your point?
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 1, 2020 18:51:55 GMT
I must say, I'm pleased that it seems that the conversation has remained fairly topical and actually respectful for the most part (Minus whatever cleaning was done before I Read the thread). My personal view is that I don't really understand why people would have any issue with it, I think the majority of people in day-to-day life wouldn't mention if they're LGBTQ+ or anything like that, and I don't really see why people have an issue respecting pronouns, especially if someone is transitioning. It's just being respectful and a decent human being. I'm personally Bi, and I've got a few trans friends, hell my last partner was trans, and it's really no different to any other type of relationship, you love someone, you want to spend time with them, and you have a mutual caring for them. It's really pretty simple. I also don't think anyone is 'Born' anything (Well, you're born with certain anatomy but that's not the point here), I think people will naturally grow and change who they are as they grow and experience life. Up until probably 2 years ago I'd have said I was straight and that's that, but as you grow sometimes your outlook on life changes, and there's nothing wrong with that. The next part is basically going to discuss more NSFW / Adult topics so probably 18+ The other thing that has been touched on in this thread is around the 'Fetish' associated with LGBTQ+, and it's important for people to remember that while porn will make a fetish of those who are LGBTQ+, but it also highlights a lot of other fetishes, and you wouldn't assume all straight guys want some extreme fetish just because one video or group of videos show it and that needs to be remembered here, yes people get off on it, but that doesn't mean everyone does, or that being LGBTQ+ actually makes you any more or less sexual. I know a lot of people who have no sex drive and are in this type of relationship, in the same way I know straight couples who are hyperactive when it comes to sex. It's not an accurate comparison.
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Post by square on Jun 1, 2020 19:46:02 GMT
I must say, I'm pleased that it seems that the conversation has remained fairly topical and actually respectful for the most part (Minus whatever cleaning was done before I Read the thread). My personal view is that I don't really understand why people would have any issue with it, I think the majority of people in day-to-day life wouldn't mention if they're LGBTQ+ or anything like that, and I don't really see why people have an issue respecting pronouns, especially if someone is transitioning. It's just being respectful and a decent human being. I'm personally Bi, and I've got a few trans friends, hell my last partner was trans, and it's really no different to any other type of relationship, you love someone, you want to spend time with them, and you have a mutual caring for them. It's really pretty simple. I also don't think anyone is 'Born' anything (Well, you're born with certain anatomy but that's not the point here), I think people will naturally grow and change who they are as they grow and experience life. Up until probably 2 years ago I'd have said I was straight and that's that, but as you grow sometimes your outlook on life changes, and there's nothing wrong with that. The next part is basically going to discuss more NSFW / Adult topics so probably 18+ The other thing that has been touched on in this thread is around the 'Fetish' associated with LGBTQ+, and it's important for people to remember that while porn will make a fetish of those who are LGBTQ+, but it also highlights a lot of other fetishes, and you wouldn't assume all straight guys want some extreme fetish just because one video or group of videos show it and that needs to be remembered here, yes people get off on it, but that doesn't mean everyone does, or that being LGBTQ+ actually makes you any more or less sexual. I know a lot of people who have no sex drive and are in this type of relationship, in the same way I know straight couples who are hyperactive when it comes to sex. It's not an accurate comparison. i assume the majority of the people saying "but.." is to do with situations when rights of the opposite sex shouldn't be applied (such as competitive sport, i'd like to hear your input on that) and the vocal minority blaming things on heterosexual or white people and forcing them to comply with their beliefs. also people say that lgbtq+ is being over-sexuallised, i'd like to hear more about this because i haven't seen it on the news or in person recently
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Post by neroblackcat on Jun 1, 2020 20:11:44 GMT
I must say, I'm pleased that it seems that the conversation has remained fairly topical and actually respectful for the most part (Minus whatever cleaning was done before I Read the thread). My personal view is that I don't really understand why people would have any issue with it, I think the majority of people in day-to-day life wouldn't mention if they're LGBTQ+ or anything like that, and I don't really see why people have an issue respecting pronouns, especially if someone is transitioning. It's just being respectful and a decent human being. I'm personally Bi, and I've got a few trans friends, hell my last partner was trans, and it's really no different to any other type of relationship, you love someone, you want to spend time with them, and you have a mutual caring for them. It's really pretty simple. I also don't think anyone is 'Born' anything (Well, you're born with certain anatomy but that's not the point here), I think people will naturally grow and change who they are as they grow and experience life. Up until probably 2 years ago I'd have said I was straight and that's that, but as you grow sometimes your outlook on life changes, and there's nothing wrong with that. The next part is basically going to discuss more NSFW / Adult topics so probably 18+ The other thing that has been touched on in this thread is around the 'Fetish' associated with LGBTQ+, and it's important for people to remember that while porn will make a fetish of those who are LGBTQ+, but it also highlights a lot of other fetishes, and you wouldn't assume all straight guys want some extreme fetish just because one video or group of videos show it and that needs to be remembered here, yes people get off on it, but that doesn't mean everyone does, or that being LGBTQ+ actually makes you any more or less sexual. I know a lot of people who have no sex drive and are in this type of relationship, in the same way I know straight couples who are hyperactive when it comes to sex. It's not an accurate comparison. i assume the majority of the people saying "but.." is to do with situations when rights of the opposite sex shouldn't be applied (such as competitive sport, i'd like to hear your input on that) and the vocal minority blaming things on heterosexual or white people and forcing them to comply with their beliefs. also people say that lgbtq+ is being over-sexuallised, i'd like to hear more about this because i haven't seen it on the news or in person recently 18+ warning? Ig? I only really know *more* about the oversexualization of lgbtq+ people. From personal experiences, people I used to be with said I was hot for being bi... Not my body, (which I dont really liked to be called hot for anyways, personally) my sexuality. I constantly hear straight cis men talk about how lesbians are hot but these same people who say that usually say shit like "I can make you straight" or "you just had a bad experience with a guy." Like bro, how would a straight guy feel if I said "oh you've never been with guy, don't knock it until you try it!" Like no, that's gross. I also feel like a lot of media only includes intimate scenes with bi/pan/lesbian women for profit and for attention-- a lot, not all. Let alone profiting off pride month in general... I also notice most bi people, including me, get asked if they want to join a threesome a fucking lot. Like no, idek you why tf you asking me if I want to? I don't exist for your sexual pleasure. Going off of the lesbians being hot thing-- Too many people find lesbian sex hot but find gay sex is gross. Like you can't pick and choose.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 1, 2020 20:54:53 GMT
I must say, I'm pleased that it seems that the conversation has remained fairly topical and actually respectful for the most part (Minus whatever cleaning was done before I Read the thread). My personal view is that I don't really understand why people would have any issue with it, I think the majority of people in day-to-day life wouldn't mention if they're LGBTQ+ or anything like that, and I don't really see why people have an issue respecting pronouns, especially if someone is transitioning. It's just being respectful and a decent human being. I'm personally Bi, and I've got a few trans friends, hell my last partner was trans, and it's really no different to any other type of relationship, you love someone, you want to spend time with them, and you have a mutual caring for them. It's really pretty simple. I also don't think anyone is 'Born' anything (Well, you're born with certain anatomy but that's not the point here), I think people will naturally grow and change who they are as they grow and experience life. Up until probably 2 years ago I'd have said I was straight and that's that, but as you grow sometimes your outlook on life changes, and there's nothing wrong with that. The next part is basically going to discuss more NSFW / Adult topics so probably 18+ The other thing that has been touched on in this thread is around the 'Fetish' associated with LGBTQ+, and it's important for people to remember that while porn will make a fetish of those who are LGBTQ+, but it also highlights a lot of other fetishes, and you wouldn't assume all straight guys want some extreme fetish just because one video or group of videos show it and that needs to be remembered here, yes people get off on it, but that doesn't mean everyone does, or that being LGBTQ+ actually makes you any more or less sexual. I know a lot of people who have no sex drive and are in this type of relationship, in the same way I know straight couples who are hyperactive when it comes to sex. It's not an accurate comparison. i assume the majority of the people saying "but.." is to do with situations when rights of the opposite sex shouldn't be applied (such as competitive sport, i'd like to hear your input on that) and the vocal minority blaming things on heterosexual or white people and forcing them to comply with their beliefs. also people say that lgbtq+ is being over-sexuallised, i'd like to hear more about this because i haven't seen it on the news or in person recently I think the sports example is one of those things where as a TLDR, I don't really have a solid answer. I think it's over-used and a bit of a cop out though. I would imagine the vast majority of trans folks actually want to just be accepted by society for who they are, and competitive sports is the least of their concerns. I think it's a tricky one though, I'm not sure there is one glove to fit all, ideally we wouldn't care about gender either way, but I can certainly see why it's not 'Fair' to have someone who's physical strength is 'Un-Natural' as it were, in the same way steroids aren't cool. As for the over-sexualisation, what Nero has said pretty much sums it up. Again, 18+ NSWF Part of the post. There is a lot of porn that turns lesbian sex into a massive fetish, and while male gay porn is certainly getting more popular, the lesbian porn has always been something that has been more sensationalised as it were. I think there is also a difference between being 'Sexually <Straight / Bi / Gay>' and 'Romantically <Straight / Bi / Gay>, and that's something that people also kinda overlook. I personally find I am Sexually Bi, but Romantically far more straight. I can't really explain why, and I think for me part of that is that actually I don't really feel you need to associate a relationship and sex. It's not to say I wouldn't have a romantic relationship with a guy, but it's far less my thing. Ultimately porn pays, and female models who are Bi, and are happy to record lesbian sex likely make a lot more money than straight scenes, and the sites will make a lot more money because I'd imagine they would get a lot more hits.
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Post by sergio24m on Jun 2, 2020 9:32:52 GMT
Well, that's why I prefer to be an atheist. I have nothing to force me to think otherwise. HOWEVER, I respect all people equally, and I don't like to mess with people for their beliefs. It's kind of stupid. Respect and be respected
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 13:30:44 GMT
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 2, 2020 17:02:50 GMT
This can apply to literally any group of people that has ever existed in the history of humanity.
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Post by 1cloud_ on Jun 3, 2020 0:40:36 GMT
As a Muslim we don't believe in these things. We believe that they come from the behaviours of the modern world, such as movies. Homosexuality can be observed in up to 1,500 species of animals, and how animals can we observe watching movies and understanding them? One, homosapiens. Us. Sources: www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/1500-animal-species-practice-homosexuality.aspxI want to preface this by saying that my view is largely based on specific scholars within Islam intertwined with my own modern day applications. I personally think that there is a significant difference between the Lesbian/Gay/Bi portion of LGBT versus the Transgender portion. For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age. This isn't to say that someone's parents made them gay. The environment, how a person is treated, and personality changes that a person experiences all contribute to a person becoming a homosexual. Does this mean that this is a disease or something to pray away? No. From a religious perspective, each person has their own challenges they have to overcome in their day to day lives. For some it can be a mental/physical illness, financial situation, etc. For gay people, God tested them by giving them homosexual urges and it is their responsibility to resist these urges, just like a straight person has to resist the urge of adultery. Now, while a straight person can satisfy their urge in a permissible way (marriage), God willed it that, for this temporary life, people with homosexual desires will not be able to satisfy them. Due to this, a person with homosexual urges can not only be Muslim, but rather be one of the most pious Muslims simply because they resist an urge which others do not have to deal with. Now, I have an issue in normalizing homosexuality. This is simply because I believe, to a degree, a young child may develop homosexual urges themselves later on if they are exposed to it. As for transgenders, I believe that there is no being "trans". A person is either born a male or born a female. The VERY low percent of people born with both male and female organs are a minority and they should indeed seek treatment for their condition. Now, a person who feels like they are another gender should seek treatment for their specific condition as well. This should be in the form of counseling and mental health approaches. When a person with schizophrenia reports some of the hallucinations, we shouldn't encourage them and say "yes they are real, we see them too!" Likewise, a person with gender dysphoria should not be encouraged to take medications and go through surgeries to "become" the other gender. They should be counseled and worked through their gender dysphoria. Wired how? There is 1,500 species of animals where homosexuality can be observed, and this is only from what we have found so far as it is very difficult to determine if an animal is homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual and to our knowledge, the communication of animals is very limited and not complex. (bird sounds) caw, caw, caw! ? "Hey Cindy, did you hear that Katherine came out as a lesbian?" (bird sounds) caw, caw, caw! ? "Oh my god, I want to be a lesbian too."Transgender people have been proven to have a much higher risk of mental health issues, which 78% of trans people who underwent transition reported a significant increase in their psychological wellbeing, alleviating their distress. And the rates for conversion therapy, to convince them that they're a regular cisgender person? Inconclusive, there is no scientific evidence to show that conversion therapy improves psychological wellbeing or alleviates gender dysphoria. "The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds no evidence to support the application of any “therapeutic intervention” operating under the premise that a specific sexual orientation, gender identity, and/or gender expression is pathological. Furthermore, based on the scientific evidence, the AACAP asserts that such “conversion therapies” (or other interventions imposed with the intent of promoting a particular sexual orientation and/or gender as a preferred outcome) lack scientific credibility and clinical utility. Additionally, there is evidence that such interventions are harmful. As a result, “conversion therapies” should not be part of any behavioral health treatment of children and adolescents." The AACAP Policy on “Conversion Therapies”. Mental health issues• 4 out of 5 trans young people have ever self-harmed (79.7%) This is compared to 10.9% of adolescents (12-17 years) in the Australian general population Almost 1 in 2 trans young people have ever attempted suicide (48.1%) This is 20 times higher than adolescents (12-17 years) in the Australian general population This is 14.6 times higher than adults (aged 16-85 years) in the Australian general population 3 in 4 trans young people have ever been diagnosed with depression (74.6%) This is 10 times higher than adolescents (12-17 years) in the Australian general population 72.2% of trans young people have ever been diagnosed with anxiety This is 10 times higher than adolescents (12-17 years) in the Australian general population • 22.7% of trans young people had been diagnosed with an eating disorder • 25.1% of trans young people had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder Risks for poor mental health89% had experienced peer rejection and 74% had experienced bullying • 78.9% had experienced issues with school, university or TAFE • 68.9% had experienced discrimination • 65.8% had experienced lack of family support • 22% had experienced accommodation issues or homelessness. Sources: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.xpediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153223www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/1500-animal-species-practice-homosexuality.aspxtransequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdfI have no problem with LGBTQ+, but I won't use transgenders' preferred pronouns (I will use their actual gender's pronoun (from birth)). I'm sorry if this offends anyone but that's how I live. I think that might just be a matter of you being an asshole, there's two main types of gender dysphoria, body dysphoria and social dysphoria. It has been statistically proven that gender dysphoria leads to an extremely high suicide rate and both types of dysphoria are equally significant. Changing a pronoun costs a word, not doing so may cost a life. Sources: transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdfonlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.xthere was actually a BBC science article on the fact that there is not a single cell in the human body that makes you gay. That is correct, but how do you explain the 1,500 species of animals that exhibit homosexual traits? There's also no cells that determine you to be heterosexual. Sources: www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/1500-animal-species-practice-homosexuality.aspx
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Post by 1cloud_ on Jun 3, 2020 0:43:34 GMT
As Polaris said, this can be applied to any human being that exists. I personally do agree that I talk about transgender topics too much, it's something I can't help myself but to respond to when people say disrespectful things, some people justify it to me that I just stand up for what I believe in, but yes. I have a feeling this meme is directed at me, so I had to respond.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 1:04:46 GMT
I didn't come to post here to get a lecture. I'm sorry if it offends you but I simply can't do it. A simple fucking paragraph and you can’t take it. Sorry you can’t be educated about your uneducated comment. If you are going to make an opinionated post, expect to back it the fuck up.
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Post by 1cloud_ on Jun 3, 2020 1:18:11 GMT
I didn't come to post here to get a lecture. I'm sorry if it offends you but I simply can't do it. Then you came to the wrong place, this is a deep discussion thread about a controversial topic, don't expect to not have false claims addressed and get your blatant disrespect called out.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 1:45:52 GMT
It's crazy how LGBTQ+ rights really just boil down to human rights and yet people can't respect that. hmmmm, very interesting.
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