Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Jun 1, 2020 3:27:28 GMT
I'm not here to defend my belief lmao i was answering the OP's question because I don't want people thinking that he speaks for most Muslims with his own stance, just like I don't represent all of them with mine
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fleshy_
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Post by fleshy_ on Jun 1, 2020 3:31:32 GMT
Let me clear up what I meant: I don't care whether or not you are homosexual, what you think you are doesn't affect me and I have no strong opinions about it. However, I do care when these people are being mistreated and basically killed for what they are interested in, no one should be killed just because of their sexuality.
I feel the same thing with transgenders, they are just people who feel better being known by another gender.
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fleshy_
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Post by fleshy_ on Jun 1, 2020 3:33:14 GMT
For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age I know you are kind of religious and stuff, but what?
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Michelle
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Post by Michelle on Jun 1, 2020 3:43:17 GMT
I'm not here to defend my belief lmao i was answering the OP's question because I don't want people thinking that he speaks for most Muslims with his own stance, just like I don't represent all of them with mine You did NOT just quote the thread where it says "Homosexual development is more likely to result in homosexual pedophilia than androphilia (attraction to adult males)". STOP affiliating or linking a thread where it intertwines PEDOPHILIA with the LGBTQ+ community.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 1, 2020 6:15:43 GMT
Some of my bestest friends are gay/lesbian and honestly I support them, I'm not gay myself but my opinion on someone isn't gonna change on someone just cuz their gay. In my eyes, I like to think of everyone as just people, it doesn't matter if your gay or bi or whatever, your still a person, it doesn't matter if you are an immigrant or if you were born in this country, if you are a guy or a gal (or neither), or if you are a PoC or not, you are still just another person and people shouldn't look at you any differently just because of some small things, what people should be judged by (in my eyes) is their personality, and their actions. While this line of thinking shouldn't apply in all situations, I still think that this is a good outlook on people
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 6:31:07 GMT
The problem with putting labels on things is that it draws attention to it. If we had thought of being gay as a normal function of society, without the need to label it, we wouldn't even need to have this conversation.
At the end of the day, we're all mammals. No matter your skin color, ethnic background, sexual orientation, or religion. Mammals get their strength from numbers.
We will always be stronger as one, and no amount of hate will ever change that.
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Jun 1, 2020 7:35:38 GMT
I want to preface this by saying that my view is largely based on specific scholars within Islam intertwined with my own modern day applications. I personally think that there is a significant difference between the Lesbian/Gay/Bi portion of LGBT versus the Transgender portion. For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age. This isn't to say that someone's parents made them gay. The environment, how a person is treated, and personality changes that a person experiences all contribute to a person becoming a homosexual. Does this mean that this is a disease or something to pray away? No. From a religious perspective, each person has their own challenges they have to overcome in their day to day lives. For some it can be a mental/physical illness, financial situation, etc. For gay people, God tested them by giving them homosexual urges and it is their responsibility to resist these urges, just like a straight person has to resist the urge of adultery. Now, while a straight person can satisfy their urge in a permissible way (marriage), God willed it that, for this temporary life, people with homosexual desires will not be able to satisfy them. Due to this, a person with homosexual urges can not only be Muslim, but rather be one of the most pious Muslims simply because they resist an urge which others do not have to deal with. Now, I have an issue in normalizing homosexuality. This is simply because I believe, to a degree, a young child may develop homosexual urges themselves later on if they are exposed to it. As for transgenders, I believe that there is no being "trans". A person is either born a male or born a female. The VERY low percent of people born with both male and female organs are a minority and they should indeed seek treatment for their condition. Now, a person who feels like they are another gender should seek treatment for their specific condition as well. This should be in the form of counseling and mental health approaches. When a person with schizophrenia reports some of the hallucinations, we shouldn't encourage them and say "yes they are real, we see them too!" Likewise, a person with gender dysphoria should not be encouraged to take medications and go through surgeries to "become" the other gender. They should be counseled and worked through their gender dysphoria. LMFAOO I CANNOT, this must be a parody. You are so ignorant that I cannot believe this is a real post. You are born gay or born bi or born liking what you like. My parents nor did the environment influence me to like women. I was born catholic and literally grew up watching only straight couples. I am gay, from a very young age I was blessed with knowing I like women. Others are not, they're born thinking they're straight (maybe you only like the opposite sex, thats okay too) and because of THIS mindset, because they are being forced with THIS mindset, they get confused and think it's wrong. I am so lucky that my family supports me and doesn't care if my girlfriend and I are together. She's not though. She has to literally hear shit from her mom for being in love with me. Thankfully, her thought process is going away from this TOXIC ass mindset. Stop saying being trans is a mental disease, it's not. You're so weird man, wtf. Please read totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/8918/having-productive-debate-discussionRegardless of your stances on the topic - if you can't participate in a civil manner, then perhaps this isn't the place for you.
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Jun 1, 2020 8:41:08 GMT
I have no problem with LGBTQ+, but I won't use transgenders' preferred pronouns (I will use their actual gender's pronoun (from birth)). I'm sorry if this offends anyone but that's how I live. Why? How can you know what's between a person's legs?
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Post by Fleek on Jun 1, 2020 8:43:19 GMT
I have no problem with LGBTQ+, but I won't use transgenders' preferred pronouns (I will use their actual gender's pronoun (from birth)). I'm sorry if this offends anyone but that's how I live. Why? How can you know what's between a person's legs? Well, I mean like if I know them. If I don't then I'll use use whatever gender they prefer.
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Jayscoob
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Post by Jayscoob on Jun 1, 2020 8:45:53 GMT
Love is love, lust is lust, people are people. For me when I see the statements, "I don't have a problem with them," it honestly makes no sense to me because there shouldn't even be a choice to have a problem with someone being themselves, but we are human I guess.
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fionn
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Post by fionn on Jun 1, 2020 9:33:41 GMT
nice to see we're name-calling due to peoples beliefs opposing your own! not saying i agree with him but grow up i don't really have a problem with it once they don't push it on me 24/7. i've got plenty of friends in the lgbtq+ community and I do nothing but support them. I feel they can be whatever / whoever they want once it doesn't affect me. my problems start when all they mention in conversations are LGBTQ+ rights. obviously, I'm all for their rights but when it's the only thing they talk about and act like being gay is a personality trait that's when I get annoyed. the other thing that really gets on my nerves is when people say there are more than 2 biological genders. male, female, that's it. sure, you can be no gender or genderfluid, but that's not a gender, that's neither or both. square 's views sum it up pretty well I would say. "my belief boils down to this: - you can identify as whatever you want, you have your own right to do so and you should be given rights as a human being - especially in non-progressive countries - you do not, however, label other people rudely (as some people in those communities do) and force others to comply with their beliefs. I will call you by what you ask of me since that is polite however some people take it too far. - i support the lgbtq+ movement however I don't really need to see pride month or lgbt flags everywhere I go outside of protests"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 9:43:21 GMT
I didn't mean to look like I represent all Muslims and a keyword is 'boy', I don't understand much and I've only talked with a few LGBT, I am only 14 and I was just interested in everyone's thoughts.
I also agree with a lot with Zaid said. It's not that I don't care about them, however there was actually a BBC science article on the fact that there is not a single cell in the human body that makes you gay.
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Taze
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Post by Taze on Jun 1, 2020 14:45:06 GMT
Myself, I am neutral about the LGBTQ+ community. I've always found it a little weird, or off compared to what I'm used to at home. My parents fully accept it and are fine with whatever sexuality someone is, while the rest of my family is strictly against it. Not only because of that am I neutral about it. I'm absolutely fine with knowing someone who's gay or whatsoever (I actually do in real life). And it doesn't make me act any different than I would if they would be straight. I just keep it in mind and that's all. As long as they don't convince me with stuff like "you sure you ain't gay? (which I'm not)" and "come participate in the gay pride thing. Then I'm fine with it.
In my opinion anyone can be what they want as long as they don't bother me with stuff like "become a supporter" or try to convince me to change my whole view about it. Be yourself just don't try to convince me to do stuff.
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Post by 97 on Jun 1, 2020 15:37:00 GMT
I remember as a kid I actually thought my parents were homophobic, I figured out that wasn't true. I still accept people.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 1, 2020 17:11:45 GMT
I have no problem with black people existing, but . . .
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