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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 0:19:04 GMT
As pride month has just started, me and fionn and a few others were discussing this on Discord, and we exposed our beliefs about LGBTQ+ and our thoughts. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks of it, and see if you agree with my view of it.
*i talked with paige about this btw
The way I see it, as a Muslim boy, is that it is not something I will support, however I'll never be against it. For example, if I saw a gay man and he asked me to march with him on a protest, I wouldn't. However, if he was getting hit and people fought him because he was gay, I'd help him.
As a Muslim we don't believe in these things. We believe that they come from the behaviours of the modern world, such as movies. As I said I asked paige about this and she was fine with my beliefs so I feel comfortable posting this. Now I myself, I don't believe in them however if YOU want to be that person, you go and be that person. I am not in control of you and it is your life. In Islam, we're taught that homosexuality is a sign of the end of the world. We're also taught to respect everyone no matter who they are, or their sexuality. I don't support it because I could get sin for it, but I'll help you and treat you like a human being if I saw you. Sometimes I just forget that paige is truly a boy and don't care, because she wants to be a girl and if she says she's a girl, then, she is a girl.
It's something which is confusing for me to explain and I want to know what you guys think, because sometimes it's good to be open about these things. No flame wars though.
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Post by Darth on Jun 1, 2020 0:22:50 GMT
I don't care about labels, everyone is a human and has the right to love whoever they want.
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Post by CurtainPoles on Jun 1, 2020 0:26:10 GMT
I don't care whatsoever. Aslong as you don't go round telling absolutely everyone you're gay, expecting special treatment because you're gay or just boasting about being gay, I don't care.
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Post by neroblackcat on Jun 1, 2020 0:31:55 GMT
Homosexuality has been around forever. Ancient Greeks did a lot gay shit but they didn't label it. Even asexuality existed but didn't have a name and that is seen with ancient desert fathers and mothers (Christianity stuff). Labels are the only things that are really new (for the most part).
You should love whoever you want and be whoever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
We exist, but I understand your beliefs. I don't have much else to say.
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Post by fleshy_ on Jun 1, 2020 0:35:42 GMT
I don't care what sexuality you are, as long as you don't annoy me every 5 minutes by saying that you're homosexual
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 0:35:56 GMT
I'd also like to add to what CurtainPoles said. If you do shout that you're LGBTQ+ in my face I will tell you simply 'please go away' because I can't stand attention-seekers and I don't appreciate it when things like poppies are changed that are general staples of society.
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Post by instinct on Jun 1, 2020 0:45:25 GMT
all homophobes are gay no exceptions Aslong as you don't go round telling absolutely everyone you're gay, expecting special treatment because you're gay or just boasting about being gay, I don't care. why dont u just ignore them though i used to have an attitude of "it's fine as long as they don't bother me constantly about how they're gay" until i realized that nobody actually does that, and i had only thought they did because i didn't talk to gay people.
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Post by CurtainPoles on Jun 1, 2020 0:54:15 GMT
all homophobes are gay no exceptions Aslong as you don't go round telling absolutely everyone you're gay, expecting special treatment because you're gay or just boasting about being gay, I don't care. why dont u just ignore them though i used to have an attitude of "it's fine as long as they don't bother me constantly about how they're gay" until i realized that nobody actually does that, and i had only thought they did because i didn't talk to gay people. I understand how you didn't talk to gay people. But I knew quite a lot of people from LGBT communities, like I was friends with some and you would not believe how many times I've spoken to people and they've gone I'm sorry I'm gay thinking I'm trying to flirt or some shit or just simply stated that they're gay and asked if I could tell. I quite simply could not give a shit, my best mate for the last 15 years is gay and that doesn't bother me. It's hard to ignore when every conversation you have is about them being gay.
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Post by ron on Jun 1, 2020 2:40:02 GMT
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Post by Michelle on Jun 1, 2020 3:07:01 GMT
This post screams out "I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me" and that right there, is a dangerous mindset. LGBTQ+ rights are literally human rights and if you don't support that, that just says sumn really big about you.
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Post by Zaid on Jun 1, 2020 3:15:02 GMT
I want to preface this by saying that my view is largely based on specific scholars within Islam intertwined with my own modern day applications.
I personally think that there is a significant difference between the Lesbian/Gay/Bi portion of LGBT versus the Transgender portion.
For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age. This isn't to say that someone's parents made them gay. The environment, how a person is treated, and personality changes that a person experiences all contribute to a person becoming a homosexual. Does this mean that this is a disease or something to pray away? No. From a religious perspective, each person has their own challenges they have to overcome in their day to day lives. For some it can be a mental/physical illness, financial situation, etc. For gay people, God tested them by giving them homosexual urges and it is their responsibility to resist these urges, just like a straight person has to resist the urge of adultery. Now, while a straight person can satisfy their urge in a permissible way (marriage), God willed it that, for this temporary life, people with homosexual desires will not be able to satisfy them.
Due to this, a person with homosexual urges can not only be Muslim, but rather be one of the most pious Muslims simply because they resist an urge which others do not have to deal with. Now, I have an issue in normalizing homosexuality. This is simply because I believe, to a degree, a young child may develop homosexual urges themselves later on if they are exposed to it.
As for transgenders, I believe that there is no being "trans". A person is either born a male or born a female. The VERY low percent of people born with both male and female organs are a minority and they should indeed seek treatment for their condition.
Now, a person who feels like they are another gender should seek treatment for their specific condition as well. This should be in the form of counseling and mental health approaches. When a person with schizophrenia reports some of the hallucinations, we shouldn't encourage them and say "yes they are real, we see them too!" Likewise, a person with gender dysphoria should not be encouraged to take medications and go through surgeries to "become" the other gender. They should be counseled and worked through their gender dysphoria.
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Post by mibbzz on Jun 1, 2020 3:20:39 GMT
For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age. My dude, I like you, but I stopped reading at this point, you're just flat wrong. This is probably the dumbest shit I've ever seen you say.
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Post by ?Robin on Jun 1, 2020 3:21:37 GMT
I want to preface this by saying that my view is largely based on specific scholars within Islam intertwined with my own modern day applications. I personally think that there is a significant difference between the Lesbian/Gay/Bi portion of LGBT versus the Transgender portion. For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age. This isn't to say that someone's parents made them gay. The environment, how a person is treated, and personality changes that a person experiences all contribute to a person becoming a homosexual. Does this mean that this is a disease or something to pray away? No. From a religious perspective, each person has their own challenges they have to overcome in their day to day lives. For some it can be a mental/physical illness, financial situation, etc. For gay people, God tested them by giving them homosexual urges and it is their responsibility to resist these urges, just like a straight person has to resist the urge of adultery. Now, while a straight person can satisfy their urge in a permissible way (marriage), God willed it that, for this temporary life, people with homosexual desires will not be able to satisfy them. Due to this, a person with homosexual urges can not only be Muslim, but rather be one of the most pious Muslims simply because they resist an urge which others do not have to deal with. Now, I have an issue in normalizing homosexuality. This is simply because I believe, to a degree, a young child may develop homosexual urges themselves later on if they are exposed to it. As for transgenders, I believe that there is no being "trans". A person is either born a male or born a female. The VERY low percent of people born with both male and female organs are a minority and they should indeed seek treatment for their condition. Now, a person who feels like they are another gender should seek treatment for their specific condition as well. This should be in the form of counseling and mental health approaches. When a person with schizophrenia reports some of the hallucinations, we shouldn't encourage them and say "yes they are real, we see them too!" Likewise, a person with gender dysphoria should not be encouraged to take medications and go through surgeries to "become" the other gender. They should be counseled and worked through their gender dysphoria. dude this is your worst fucking take of the century, maybe don't post at fucking all if you're just gonna continue with "i hate homosexuals, i will never teach my kids about gays because they shouldn't exist just like trans people"
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Post by Zaid on Jun 1, 2020 3:22:32 GMT
For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age. My dude, I like you, but I stopped reading at this point, you're just flat wrong. This is probably the dumbest shit I've ever seen you say. The OP asked about my personal views and I did my best to express them as respectfully as I could. I'll reply in a bit with scientific articles to back what I'm claiming.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 1, 2020 3:23:41 GMT
I want to preface this by saying that my view is largely based on specific scholars within Islam intertwined with my own modern day applications. I personally think that there is a significant difference between the Lesbian/Gay/Bi portion of LGBT versus the Transgender portion. For homosexuality, I believe that a person is not born gay, but can be wired to be gay at a very young age. This isn't to say that someone's parents made them gay. The environment, how a person is treated, and personality changes that a person experiences all contribute to a person becoming a homosexual. Does this mean that this is a disease or something to pray away? No. From a religious perspective, each person has their own challenges they have to overcome in their day to day lives. For some it can be a mental/physical illness, financial situation, etc. For gay people, God tested them by giving them homosexual urges and it is their responsibility to resist these urges, just like a straight person has to resist the urge of adultery. Now, while a straight person can satisfy their urge in a permissible way (marriage), God willed it that, for this temporary life, people with homosexual desires will not be able to satisfy them. Due to this, a person with homosexual urges can not only be Muslim, but rather be one of the most pious Muslims simply because they resist an urge which others do not have to deal with. Now, I have an issue in normalizing homosexuality. This is simply because I believe, to a degree, a young child may develop homosexual urges themselves later on if they are exposed to it. As for transgenders, I believe that there is no being "trans". A person is either born a male or born a female. The VERY low percent of people born with both male and female organs are a minority and they should indeed seek treatment for their condition. Now, a person who feels like they are another gender should seek treatment for their specific condition as well. This should be in the form of counseling and mental health approaches. When a person with schizophrenia reports some of the hallucinations, we shouldn't encourage them and say "yes they are real, we see them too!" Likewise, a person with gender dysphoria should not be encouraged to take medications and go through surgeries to "become" the other gender. They should be counseled and worked through their gender dysphoria. LMFAOO I CANNOT, this must be a parody. You are so ignorant that I cannot believe this is a real post. You are born gay or born bi or born liking what you like. My parents nor did the environment influence me to like women. I was born catholic and literally grew up watching only straight couples. I am gay, from a very young age I was blessed with knowing I like women. Others are not, they're born thinking they're straight (maybe you only like the opposite sex, thats okay too) and because of THIS mindset, because they are being forced with THIS mindset, they get confused and think it's wrong. I am so lucky that my family supports me and doesn't care if my girlfriend and I are together. She's not though. She has to literally hear shit from her mom for being in love with me. Thankfully, her thought process is going away from this TOXIC ass mindset. Stop saying being trans is a mental disease, it's not. You're so weird man, wtf.
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