Blloc
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Post by Blloc on Jul 1, 2020 20:33:32 GMT
As a new player here, I'd like to say I found the "Super Admin" and "Telnet Admin" ranks confusing. I initially thought these were both higher-up ranks that were only attained after becoming a moderator of some sort, but these are the two lowest admin ranks. I also thought "Super Admin" was a higher rank than "Telnet Admin," however, I was mainly just generally confused at the naming system of these ranks. Regardless of whether these two ranks combine into one or not, I suggest that they be renamed to a system that is easier to understand, such as "Moderator" and "Admin" rather than "Super Admin" and "Telnet Admin."
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Jul 1, 2020 20:36:02 GMT
Why the fuck do we have an Admin rank called Super Admin instead of just Admin. Miss me with this flamboyant shit
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 20:37:30 GMT
Why the fuck do we have an Admin rank called Super Admin instead of just Admin. Miss me with this flamboyant shit Back in 2011 and 2012, Mark named players he deemed trustworthy "admin" in name only.
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Jul 1, 2020 20:39:08 GMT
Why the fuck do we have an Admin rank called Super Admin instead of just Admin. Miss me with this flamboyant shit Back in 2011 and 2012, Mark named players he deemed trustworthy "admin" in name only. Let me rephrase my original post: Why the fuck do we still have an Admin rank called Super Admin instead of just Admin. Miss me with this flamboyant shit And I thought that was in 2010-11 ish? It wasn't longer after the Nether server was wiped that we went over to merely having SA's as far as I remember.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 1, 2020 20:59:25 GMT
Back in 2011 and 2012, Mark named players he deemed trustworthy "admin" in name only. Let me rephrase my original post: Why the fuck do we still have an Admin rank called Super Admin instead of just Admin. Miss me with this flamboyant shit And I thought that was in 2010-11 ish? It wasn't longer after the Nether server was wiped that we went over to merely having SA's as far as I remember. Telnet Admin, Senior Admin, and previously Telnet Clan Admin follow the same naming scheme of an identifier followed by Admin. I think it's fair to discuss whether we should change that if this suggestion is approved, but it hasn't just been illogical all this time.
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Post by decyj145 on Jul 1, 2020 21:46:00 GMT
I object purely because I don't think that we should be giving newly appointed, inexperienced admins telnet access. But by that argument I'd maintain they shouldn't be admin in the first place... If we can't trust someone to effectively administer the server they shouldn't be an admin full stop. I don't understand why giving them another tool to do their jobs effectively is a bad thing? As stated before by another person, I personally believe that Super Admin is a stepping stone of sorts to gain the community and admin team's trust and to show their capabilities. I believe that if they show this then they can get the extra perms provided to telnets via a promotion. That's just my opinion though and the way I look at it.
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Jul 2, 2020 11:22:27 GMT
Let me rephrase my original post: Why the fuck do we still have an Admin rank called Super Admin instead of just Admin. Miss me with this flamboyant shit And I thought that was in 2010-11 ish? It wasn't longer after the Nether server was wiped that we went over to merely having SA's as far as I remember. Telnet Admin, Senior Admin, and previously Telnet Clan Admin follow the same naming scheme of an identifier followed by Admin. I think it's fair to discuss whether we should change that if this suggestion is approved, but it hasn't just been illogical all this time. There is virtually no difference between a Super Admin and a normal Admin on any other server, so I think it is pretty redundant to name it "Super Admin", when there is no rank below it.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 2, 2020 11:27:35 GMT
Telnet Admin, Senior Admin, and previously Telnet Clan Admin follow the same naming scheme of an identifier followed by Admin. I think it's fair to discuss whether we should change that if this suggestion is approved, but it hasn't just been illogical all this time. There is virtually no difference between a Super Admin and a normal Admin on any other server, so I think it is pretty redundant to name it "Super Admin", when there is no rank below it. Redundant, sure, but I don't see a desperate need to have our naming scheme be the same as every other server's.
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Jul 2, 2020 11:38:11 GMT
There is virtually no difference between a Super Admin and a normal Admin on any other server, so I think it is pretty redundant to name it "Super Admin", when there is no rank below it. Redundant, sure, but I don't see a desparate need to have our naming scheme be the same as every other server's. Not a desperate need, but I certainly think it would show a more professional image if we were to get rid of the super.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 4, 2020 13:58:35 GMT
I must say I'm a bit disappointed at the general response to this. Given Telent never used to even exist and we managed to survive merging telnet and telnet clan together when we had that split, it's a shame that the majority of the opposition has been around keeping a status quo that frankly we don't need, or because there is an illusion that telnet's should be trusted more than seniors when in reality their roles should be identical, just one with telnet access and one without...
I'm not going to lock the poll or anything, that's not my place, but I would urge people that voted against this to have a serious think about why they voted no, because the reality is the Super and Telnet roles should be identical, with the difference being one can work on a console and one in game... Any other differences shouldn't have existed in the first place...
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Post by grntbg on Jul 5, 2020 8:06:14 GMT
"Telnet Admin" should not exist, full stop. The telnet protocol is not something you should be advertising by means of rank. Not only is telnet unencrypted but methods to monitor communications over the protocol are well-documented. And of course there's no reason to have two separate ranks when the distinction is so subtle.
This suggestion should be accepted regardless of the poll's outcome because there has been not a single coherent reason as to why this shouldn't happen other than "it's been the way it is for long enough and I don't want to change it." Even if you are a subscriber of the "not broken = don't fix it" model, the telnet protocol needs to be fixed because it no longer does what it was designed for, over forty years ago. Yes, this suggestion does not imply the removal of the telnet protocol for administration but it's a step in the right direction.
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Post by tozzit on Jul 6, 2020 11:11:07 GMT
This suggestion should be accepted regardless of the poll's outcome I think you have failed your argument if this is your outcome.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 6, 2020 11:38:08 GMT
This suggestion should be accepted regardless of the poll's outcome I think you have failed your argument if this is your outcome. Yeah, as much as I want my suggestions to go through, I'll be the first to hold my hands up and if the community don't want this change then we shouldn't force it through, I know if it were the other way around I'd be the first to argue. But that's fine, it's clear there are other issues with this suggestion we need to tackle before we can consider doing this, so I'll probably raise a new suggestion that is a smaller stepping stone and can get us a step towards this but hopefully better addressing some of the concerns that people have, even where I feel most of the objections to this idea are based off of a false premise.
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Post by grntbg on Jul 6, 2020 14:26:29 GMT
I think you have failed your argument if this is your outcome. Yeah, as much as I want my suggestions to go through, I'll be the first to hold my hands up and if the community don't want this change then we shouldn't force it through, I know if it were the other way around I'd be the first to argue. But that's fine, it's clear there are other issues with this suggestion we need to tackle before we can consider doing this, so I'll probably raise a new suggestion that is a smaller stepping stone and can get us a step towards this but hopefully better addressing some of the concerns that people have, even where I feel most of the objections to this idea are based off of a false premise. The community has time and time again made judgements without premise or any coherent reason beyond “change is bad” which perfectly demonstrates why democracy does not and never will work for a gameserver as people swiftly move to protect their political or strategic interests.
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Post by grntbg on Jul 6, 2020 14:27:53 GMT
This suggestion should be accepted regardless of the poll's outcome I think you have failed your argument if this is your outcome. If my argument was reliant on an unwavering support for strict adherence to the popular opinion (which it is not) and because of that my argument remains clear.
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