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Post by Super on Jun 29, 2020 18:37:59 GMT
Miwo is a veteran that I remember from before I was an admin, and showed that he is definitely qualified to carry out such duties. The process of moving and not having proper PC access properly justifies his inactivity IMO. My vote is no.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 29, 2020 18:43:43 GMT
Here's a direct response to all the false attacks that have been brought up in this asinine thread:
<SNIP> wow, ok, thats a lot, anyways, i understand that however i think it is important that you also take into consideration the following: 1) I Understand that you have been moving and thus haven't had easy access to the server, forums, discord, etc. however knowing this, you could have appointed an assistant to take over for the duties that you would be unable to do because of your lack of internet, even if you were not aware of the fact that you were moving when you applied 2) when kae said that you would be removed by july 1st that was in reference to this not the executive policy thingy 3) when I said that you had ragequited 4 times, i meant that, in the past you have knowingly deleted your forums account in response to other things, multiple times 4) you should have made an inactivity notice 5) when i mentioned that you had ghosted mbs this was confirmed by seth, darth, and many others, and it was reported quite a number of times 6) when you say that you have given us a layout of stuff, i am aware of that however that should have been made as an announcement to the discord mbs section, and should have been more clear and more directed as to who should be doing what with it ill be happy to expand on anything however i am also busy and thus will give more information at a later point in the day
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Post by miwo on Jun 29, 2020 19:01:28 GMT
Here's a direct response to all the false attacks that have been brought up in this asinine thread:
<SNIP> wow, ok, thats a lot, anyways, i understand that however i think it is important that you also take into consideration the following: 1) I Understand that you have been moving and thus haven't had easy access to the server, forums, discord, etc. however knowing this, you could have appointed an assistant to take over for the duties that you would be unable to do because of your lack of internet, even if you were not aware of the fact that you were moving when you applied 2) when kae said that you would be removed by july 1st that was in reference to this not the executive policy thingy 3) when I said that you had ragequited 4 times, i meant that, in the past you have knowingly deleted your forums account in response to other things, multiple times 4) you should have made an inactivity notice 5) when i mentioned that you had ghosted mbs this was confirmed by seth, darth, and many others, and it was reported quite a number of times 6) when you say that you have given us a layout of stuff, i am aware of that however that should have been made as an announcement to the discord mbs section, and should have been more clear and more directed as to who should be doing what with it ill be happy to expand on anything however i am also busy and thus will give more information at a later point in the day 1) Why do you suddenly shift your viewpoint from me being a retard for applying for ECD when I was going to move in 6 months time, even though I had no idea at the time that I would be moving, to you understanding? I didn't, and I still do not see any point in appointing an assistant when all the MBs have been given plenty of homework to do while I was absent. I can't go sniff everyone's ass constantly either way. I still don't see why this is relevant. 3) then you're being deceitful on purpose - There is no way you can claim with any actual evidence that I have ragequit, - ever - despite zekurt 's unsubstantiated claims that say otherwise. 4) Agreed, but at the time I didn't think it was nessecary - I can only apologize for this, but I still don't think it is anywhere near as big of an issue as people have made it out to be. I made sure that the MB team could still operate while I was being absent, and I still perform all nessecary duties on the forums. 5) You have yet to actually name this individual. Here's the PMs back-and-forth with the individual I think you're speaking of (red text, "me" = miwo): i.imgur.com/Y3zFYiQ.png i.imgur.com/UD7lw2r.png i.imgur.com/JyxiqjJ.png i.imgur.com/rXMaUyN.pngi.imgur.com/r66RwAF.pngi.imgur.com/5Yg1DEI.pngUnless we are talking of someone else I am not aware of, then this is a falsehood. 6) That's simply not the way I want to lead the MB team. I like to give everyone the opportunity to do what they want, so giving people certian tasks is just not how I govern now, nor has it ever been. I hold no ill will towards you, but when you spew out lies left and right, that are (seemingly) only made to worsen my reputation, then I feel that is more than appropriate to respond in kind.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 29, 2020 19:17:42 GMT
I hold no ill will towards you, but when you spew out lies left and right, that are (seemingly) only made to worsen my reputation, then I feel that is more than appropriate to respond in kind. I understand how you feel this way but I try to ensure that I am not telling any lies and that I am not trying to worsen your reputation, I pride myself on at least making an attempt to be as factual as I can before making a decision, all I am trying to get across is that: in my opinion, I don't think that you have successfully fulfilled your duties as an ECD regardless of the reasons why, you should have at least made an attempt to have someone, or even to have yourself, fulfill these duties
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Post by miwo on Jun 29, 2020 19:19:39 GMT
I hold no ill will towards you, but when you spew out lies left and right, that are (seemingly) only made to worsen my reputation, then I feel that is more than appropriate to respond in kind. I understand how you feel this way but I try to ensure that I am not telling any lies and that I am not trying to worsen your reputation, I pride myself on at least making an attempt to be as factual as I can before making a decision, all I am trying to get across is that: in my opinion, I don't think that you have successfully fulfilled your duties as an ECD regardless of the reasons why, you should have at least made an attempt to have someone, or even to have yourself, fulfill these duties What else do you want me to do as ECD to be "succesful" ? I think I have fulfilled the duties that I am required to do, and then some, if you were to count the time since I got ECD again. It seems as though you just keep moving the goal post, saying that whatever I basically can/could have done is just not enough in your eyes. Tell me specifically what you want from the ECD that I have already not done.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 29, 2020 19:29:35 GMT
I understand how you feel this way but I try to ensure that I am not telling any lies and that I am not trying to worsen your reputation, I pride myself on at least making an attempt to be as factual as I can before making a decision, all I am trying to get across is that: in my opinion, I don't think that you have successfully fulfilled your duties as an ECD regardless of the reasons why, you should have at least made an attempt to have someone, or even to have yourself, fulfill these duties What else do you want me to do as ECD to be "succesful" ? I think I have fulfilled the duties that I am required to do, and then some, if you were to count the time since I got ECD again. It seems as though you just keep moving the goal post, saying that whatever I basically can/could have done is just not enough in your eyes. Tell me specifically what you want from the ECD that I have already not done. what i personally have wanted from the ecd for a while is a person who not just gives us a general outline of what we need to do, but actually helps us create what they have planned out, on top of this i think that more community input should be taken into consideration with these projects, especially due to the fact that seth has said that he doesn't want a hub, and doesn't think that we need one, so why are we still working on it. to add onto this i feel like as if the ecd should not only deal with master builders but the more creative/design decisions of the server (e.g theming and shit), which would make sense as they are the executive creative designer, not like the executive master builder leader. the ecd should try to improve upon design choices for any aspect of the server, whether that be just builds/spawns, forum design choices, or even website designing, the ecd should be trying to actively improve upon the design of things.
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Post by Jayscoob on Jun 29, 2020 19:35:50 GMT
I say we should perhaps just give the guy who, despite doing silly things (which everyone has), cares for the server and knows this job very well a well needed wake-up call in terms of activity and his projects, which obviously has already taken effect because I just saw him online.
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Post by miwo on Jun 29, 2020 19:37:41 GMT
What else do you want me to do as ECD to be "succesful" ? I think I have fulfilled the duties that I am required to do, and then some, if you were to count the time since I got ECD again. It seems as though you just keep moving the goal post, saying that whatever I basically can/could have done is just not enough in your eyes. Tell me specifically what you want from the ECD that I have already not done. what i personally have wanted from the ecd for a while is a person who not just gives us a general outline of what we need to do, but actually helps us create what they have planned out, I have literally built 50-60% of the MB spawn myself.
on top of this i think that more community input should be taken into consideration with these projects, especially due to the fact that seth has said that he doesn't want a hub, and doesn't think that we need one, so why are we still working on it. I disagree. I think the MB team should be the sole arbiters of what they want to build or not. If the community gets to decide what the MB team builds, then I can quickly see them losing interest if it is an idea that they don't want to do. I don't like forcing people to build something they don't want to, which is why I have removed the activity requirement for MB. Also the community actually wanted a hub, so I don't get why you don't think I am taking the community's opinion into account? to add onto this i feel like as if the ecd should not only deal with master builders but the more creative/design decisions of the server (e.g theming and shit), which would make sense as they are the executive creative designer, not like the executive master builder leader. the ecd should try to improve upon design choices for any aspect of the server, whether that be just builds/spawns, forum design choices, or even website designing, the ecd should be trying to actively improve upon the design of things. This is already an ongoing suggestion, and is not what I signed up for when I applied for the position (that doesn't mean I don't want to do it, mind you) - I think it is deeply unfair of you to wish for me to do tasks that I never agreed to. The ECD (and MB team) has always centered around building ON THE SERVER. I agree that the ECD should perhaps be the art director for TF as well, but that is not what the ECD is currently assigned for. You don't judge a minimum wage Walmart employee for not helping with the management of the entire company.
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Post by miwo on Jun 29, 2020 19:44:58 GMT
Poll was scheduled to close on the 4th of july, so why is it closed already? I think this is really premature given the fact that only a day has passed. I ask for the poll to be re-extended to the 4th of July, or that a new poll is to be made. Edit: Darth just revoked the poll....thats cool too I guess?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 29, 2020 19:56:31 GMT
Switched back to a "no" vote, evidence previously shown and arguments made have been thoroughly debunked. I think that this entire process has been very slanted against Miwo to the point of propagating false information/blatant lies and any aspect of charity has been taken out of the process to only assume the worst, and given that this is the first time we have ever used this part of the executive policy, I think it's even showing that we need an amendment to it because this is grossly inappropriate.
Prior to him having to go inactive for personal reasons, he clearly was doing his job.
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Post by zeseryu on Jun 29, 2020 20:06:07 GMT
Poll was scheduled to close on the 4th of july, so why is it closed already? I think this is really premature given the fact that only a day has passed. I ask for the poll to be re-extended to the 4th of July, or that a new poll is to be made. Edit: Darth just revoked the poll....thats cool too I guess? This is now above darth, and he doesn't get to decide whether or not to "close" the poll. The poll will stay open for a couple of weeks.
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Post by zeseryu on Jun 29, 2020 20:07:33 GMT
Switched back to a "no" vote, evidence previously shown and arguments made have been thoroughly debunked. I think that this entire process has been very slanted against Miwo to the point of propagating false information/blatant lies and any aspect of charity has been taken out of the process to only assume the worst, and given that this is the first time we have ever used this part of the executive policy, I think it's even showing that we need an amendment to it because this is grossly inappropriate. Prior to him having to go inactive for personal reasons, he clearly was doing his job. If we were to change the executive vote off policy we would need to have a vote on that aswell. I don't really see the issue in being able to post a thread and having a majority support your stance on whether or not an executive should be removed.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 29, 2020 20:07:34 GMT
Poll was scheduled to close on the 4th of july, so why is it closed already? I think this is really premature given the fact that only a day has passed. I ask for the poll to be re-extended to the 4th of July, or that a new poll is to be made. Edit: Darth just revoked the poll....thats cool too I guess? This is now above darth, and he doesn't get to decide whether or not to "close" the poll. The poll will stay open for a couple of weeks. Is this not an invalid process when the justifications for this vote off have been built upon actual disinformation and slander? I'm sure many people voted based off of completely false pretenses.
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Post by miwo on Jun 29, 2020 20:08:07 GMT
Poll was scheduled to close on the 4th of july, so why is it closed already? I think this is really premature given the fact that only a day has passed. I ask for the poll to be re-extended to the 4th of July, or that a new poll is to be made. Edit: Darth just revoked the poll....thats cool too I guess? This is now above darth, and he doesn't get to decide whether or not to "close" the poll. The poll will stay open for a couple of weeks. What an asinine comment. Make a new poll thats unbiased and doesnt have the OP disagreeing with its premise. That can only be described as disingenious and corrupt.
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Post by zeseryu on Jun 29, 2020 20:13:11 GMT
This is now above darth, and he doesn't get to decide whether or not to "close" the poll. The poll will stay open for a couple of weeks. Is this not an invalid process when the justifications for this vote off have been built upon actual disinformation and slander? I'm sure many people voted based off of completely false pretenses. You can claim people voted off false pretenses to literally any public poll. What Darth originally posted seems genuine, "Miwo has been very inactive in regards to the Master Builders. He engages with the MB team very infrequently, and is quite inactive in-game (has just over a half hour of playtime in the last month, with 8 minutes of that being registered AFK time). I do not believe he has made sufficient contributions to the server to retain his executive status, and as such an posting a poll to gather community opinion." and doesnt appear to be slander at all.
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