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Post by xfilez on Jun 28, 2020 12:08:47 GMT
I've been asking for the MB Apprenticeships for many months, miwo. Is it really difficult to write up that sort of document? I'm surprised it's taken this long - and still going - and we're still waiting. I'll also add that I received little to no communication regarding that policy. I mentioned it earlier back when the week you got promoted to ECD. Then, I talked to you about it on the server probably around February. I didn't hear anything for many months until just a week or two ago when you messaged me about it again. After providing that description again and asking for an update a couple of days ago, I saw that you were active elsewhere but you didn't see/respond to my message. I'm just a little disappointed it has taken this long. So because I didnt give priority to your suggestion that should mean I should be removed from the role? As I've mentioned, I have been in the process of moving - if people think that 2 months of inactivity (while still updating policies and deciding who gets MB and who doesnt, and mostly just fetching ideas to use for the spawns.) I just want to know what I should have done instead? How can I lead the MB team ingame when I have no access to a PC? 2 months ago I was frequently building and leading the build effort to get the MB spawn finished. But sure, just throw all that under the rug. I told you about this suggestion on the 18th of April, so granted, this was within the 2 months you've been inactive. However, I do remember a time we were on the server talking about this - so I assume you were active at some point there? Not to mention, when you messaged me you said you had some time to write up forum policies, that was almost 3 weeks ago. I understand, life happens, but it doesn't hurt to write me a message saying things have been delayed.
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Post by miwo on Jun 28, 2020 14:15:18 GMT
So because I didnt give priority to your suggestion that should mean I should be removed from the role? As I've mentioned, I have been in the process of moving - if people think that 2 months of inactivity (while still updating policies and deciding who gets MB and who doesnt, and mostly just fetching ideas to use for the spawns.) I just want to know what I should have done instead? How can I lead the MB team ingame when I have no access to a PC? 2 months ago I was frequently building and leading the build effort to get the MB spawn finished. But sure, just throw all that under the rug. I told you about this suggestion on the 18th of April, so granted, this was within the 2 months you've been inactive. However, I do remember a time we were on the server talking about this - so I assume you were active at some point there? Not to mention, when you messaged me you said you had some time to write up forum policies, that was almost 3 weeks ago. I understand, life happens, but it doesn't hurt to write me a message saying things have been delayed. You sent me a followup message YESTERDAY - thats not "several days ago" - the obly reason I am online is via hotspot and that is solely to give MB to players.
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Post by miwo on Jun 28, 2020 14:16:36 GMT
It feels like there is some witch hunting going on in this thread, and frankly a lack of understanding or care for personal circumstances. Life gets in the way and this is just a game, anyone who is dedicating that much time to this game like people are implying you should be on this thread, really should go get an actual job... Moving house is stressful and time consuming, and unfortunately often takes months, I'm willing to personally give Miwo the benefit of the doubt that it has been the primary thing blocking their ability to actually contribute as much as they'd like to the role rather than it being laziness or a lack of interest. Let me know when you guys move house if you think you can still dedicate as much time to an executive position on a block game you play for a hobby as you usually would... Granted, I should probably have posted an inactivity notice, but I didnt think it was nessecary at the time.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 28, 2020 19:43:12 GMT
I think that this vote off has become way too uncharitable, and for that I revoke my vote and honestly won't vote either way. A 4 page argument about one person's personal circumstances does not seem like how these vote offs were meant to operate.
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Post by tozzit on Jun 28, 2020 20:04:36 GMT
I think that this vote off has become way too uncharitable, and for that I revoke my vote and honestly won't vote either way. A 4 page argument about one person's personal circumstances does not seem like how these vote offs were meant to operate. I think it perfectly illustrates a problem with such a thing being rushed in one thread - miwo clearly didnt have time and wasnt even given the opportunity to explain his circumstances before the vote off started.
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Post by zekurt on Jun 28, 2020 20:14:30 GMT
I think that this vote off has become way too uncharitable, and for that I revoke my vote and honestly won't vote either way. A 4 page argument about one person's personal circumstances does not seem like how these vote offs were meant to operate. Pretty simply, vote offs do not need to be charitable nor do they need to consider the personal circumstances. If an executive does not do their job for an extended period of time, and the people notice this and want a new executive, then that's how it is. No one is entitled to a position. If you want to keep your position, do your job, or at least tell the people what's preventing you from doing so. Like wild said, this is a block game, so you shouldn't be too bothered when removed.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 28, 2020 20:17:02 GMT
I think that this vote off has become way too uncharitable, and for that I revoke my vote and honestly won't vote either way. A 4 page argument about one person's personal circumstances does not seem like how these vote offs were meant to operate. Pretty simply, vote offs do not need to be charitable nor do they need to consider the personal circumstances. If an executive does not do their job for an extended period of time, and the people notice this and want a new executive, then that's how it is. No one is entitled to a position. I completely agree, but I'm also able to vote or not vote if I don't think that personal circumstances are being considered or if it is uncharitable.
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Post by xfilez on Jun 28, 2020 23:31:10 GMT
I told you about this suggestion on the 18th of April, so granted, this was within the 2 months you've been inactive. However, I do remember a time we were on the server talking about this - so I assume you were active at some point there? Not to mention, when you messaged me you said you had some time to write up forum policies, that was almost 3 weeks ago. I understand, life happens, but it doesn't hurt to write me a message saying things have been delayed. You sent me a followup message YESTERDAY - thats not "several days ago" - the obly reason I am online is via hotspot and that is solely to give MB to players. I never said anything about "several days ago". But like I said, if you were online to write other posts, it couldn't of hurt to chuck me a message about some delays. I'm not voting on this thread for the the reasons that Wild and Polaris have brought up, by the way. My only grievance really is this suggestion.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 29, 2020 7:08:27 GMT
i'm not sure where you're getting that from but statistically you're one of the most activity-lacking admins on the server people don't dislike you as ecd, they'd just like to see more of you, and due to your recent inactivity we haven't been able to see that mind giving examples? that's generally to be expected of an ecd Miwo I like you, genuinely I really do like you, but community interaction is everything and the community has not been getting sufficient communication with you during these past few weeks. Quite disingenious to show my activity from the last few months when I already noted I am in the midst of moving homes - Again if you want somebody else for this position, then you should vote me off at thr appropriate time per the new policy, which would be in 1-2 months. I dont see why this thread should be taken seriously other than pointing out my lack of inactivity which I have already explained why before in other forums and now here. according to the policy we can make a vote off whenever we really want, the things that happens every 3 months is the approval poll, not a vote off thing. As of this current term of being Ecd, you have done practically nothing thus provocating a vote off thread Also to add onto this, you moving isn't even that good of an excuse, if you where moving then you should've either 1) not applied for the position in the first place knowing you wouldn't be able to proform your duties 2) made a thread about your absence and assign someone to temporarily take over for you Or 3) at least made an attempt to give us some sort of update showing that you have been doing anything at all related to being Ecd, Seth has had to add many people for you because you where not able to fulfill your duties and do it
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Post by Darth on Jun 29, 2020 14:27:58 GMT
Quite disingenious to show my activity from the last few months when I already noted I am in the midst of moving homes - Again if you want somebody else for this position, then you should vote me off at thr appropriate time per the new policy, which would be in 1-2 months. I dont see why this thread should be taken seriously other than pointing out my lack of inactivity which I have already explained why before in other forums and now here. according to the policy we can make a vote off whenever we really want, the things that happens every 3 months is the approval poll, not a vote off thing. As of this current term of being Ecd, you have done practically nothing thus provocating a vote off thread Also to add onto this, you moving isn't even that good of an excuse, if you where moving then you should've either 1) not applied for the position in the first place knowing you wouldn't be able to proform your duties 2) made a thread about your absence and assign someone to temporarily take over for you Or 3) at least made an attempt to give us some sort of update showing that you have been doing anything at all related to being Ecd, Seth has had to add many people for you because you where not able to fulfill your duties and do it He posted a message in the discord on June 4th saying he'd try to keep up with MB related stuff. I would have been fine with that, but in that case an assistant should have been appointed or a formal inactivity notice should have been posted. It is true that Seth has had to add several people to the MB list in-game (either new MBs or old MBs that didn't have the title in-game for some reason) - and considering that before the aforementioned message, miwo had said (on May 11th) saying that adding people to the MB list in-game wasn't an issue, I don't think he has contributed enough in his current term as ECD. He has made many contributions over the last ten years, and I very much respect that but the only thing that matters here is what is happening now - which in my opinion, is not enough.
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Post by miwo on Jun 29, 2020 18:01:52 GMT
Here's a direct response to all the false attacks that have been brought up in this asinine thread:
Miwo has been very inactive in regards to the Master Builders. He engages with the MB team very infrequently, and is quite inactive in-game (has just over a half hour of playtime in the last month, with 8 minutes of that being registered AFK time). I do not believe he has made sufficient contributions to the server to retain his executive status, and as such an posting a poll to gather community opinion.This poll was made with permission of the EAO. I have not been "very inactive" in regards to being ECD. You can only list 1-2 months of me being "semi-inactive" in regards to playing on the server. Guess why. I perform all the nessecary duties as ECD, even though I have no access to an actual PC, and I have given an informal message that I was about to be out of internet for a while and would therefore be unable to play. I find it quite ironic that you're attacking me for not "getting anything done", while you have done nothing yourself in regards to upping the amount of players TF has other than meaningless requests to big YouTubers who likely won't do anything. I bet that I have done a lot more actual work than you have during your time as assistant server liason. At the bottom of my post is a list of some of the contributions I have done during my current tenure as ECD. Tell me specifically what I was REQUIRED to have done in the 1-2 month timespan I've been inactive INGAME (not forums, mind you) i would also like to mention this users general inactivity with the mbs and the rest of the discord as well, we have an MB announcement channel which was made for the ecd to tell us about any projects or updates on anything. Nothing has been posted in there since F E B R U A R Yand while miwo has made a few comments about other things, they haven't done anything related to any ECD actions in quite a while. they also don't have their admin rank as their display group which is very concerning considering that this is the person who is supposed to be in charge of the MBS and other creative processes, and their only actualaction as an ecd was thisA big fat lie. I notified all of you that I was about to go inactive due to a lack of internet - I EVEN GAVE YOU A LAYOUT AND IDEAS FOR WHAT TO BUILD ON THE MB SPAWN. I made sure htat you all were able to contribute to the MB spawn. If you want proof, then go ahead and look inside the MB discord channel. I literally have laid out every single detail of what I envision for the MB spawn, so just because I have been inactive for a month, doesn't mean I haven't "lead" you all accordingly. It's also another blatant lie when you say I haven't done anything "related to any ECD actions". I know it's not much, but I still continually review applications and make sure that there are no pending apps older than 10 days. And as I just mentioned, I have given every MB plenty of work to do whiie im absent from the server. So to be quite frank with you: everything you just said was pure falsehood. "they also don't have their admin rank as their display group which is very concerning considering that this is the person who is supposed to be in charge of the MBS and other creative processes, and their only actual action as an ecd was" Boo-fukin-hoo. I believe there already was a thread in which he explained why that was the case. He's been around since 2010, created many of the most legendary and memorable maps for this server, and was pretty much the creation of the master builder/creative designer position back a decade ago. Certainly not a person with the level of experience we should be booting off the ship. he rage quitted 4 times, deleting his forum account and everything else, also old admins don't necessarily mean better. also there was not a thread according to many others he actualy ghosted the person, telling him that oh ill add you at [insert time here] and then never adding him, forceing seth to do it, this has happened multiple times I like how you just pulled "rage-quitted 4 times" out of your ass. I am quite certain that I am the only person to have given MB to anybody in the last month, so I don't know where you get this "ghosted the person"-factoid from? Care to provide a screenshot to support your claim? Oh it has happened multiple times? Care to elaborate? If Miwo is under circumstances in which he temporarily cannot access the game in order to manage map creation, but is at least able to manage his forum-related activities, is that truly worthy of a vote off under temporary conditions? If I saw some evidence showing a long period of inactivity (a few months) then I'd be inclined to agree, but if he is temporarily unable to access the server, can that not be chalked up to a temporary inactivity? It would be an unprecedented burden to require somebody to work around circumstances in which they would be unable to access the server, especially given the history of support that Miwo has provided since 2010 related to his position, we should avoid losing somebody with this level of expertise and experience because we won't find somebody who shares it. I'm not defending him not having to do his job, I'm saying that we should be charitable and assume good intent given his consistent handling of his forum-related duties, if he is just not able to access the game. he hasnt done anything on the server, forums, or discord, its been like this since he was added to the role. i dont see your point A blatant lie yet again. I'm not talking about the forum because I don't expect the ECD to be doing much on there other than the master builder applications which he has handled. If your argument is that he hasn't been on the Minecraft server (which is obviously the important thing here) since February, can you not show evidence of this? i never said he hasnt been on since febuary, but he is still extrememly inactive, in fact here is there server activity profilein this you can see that: • miwo last date on the server was Jun 15 2020, 12:47 • since Mar 26 2020 at 19:08 they have a total overall playtime of 1d 12h 53m 18s, more than 10h 7m 46s of that being afk • in the last month they only have ~34 minutes of playtime • has only logged into the server 5 times in the last month • is marked as inactive by the log thingy with a score of 0.67 Per your own source I was last "really" active on the 7th of May - which completely supports my claim that I have had no access to a pc since that time. Quite disingenious to show my activity from the last few months when I already noted I am in the midst of moving homes - Again if you want somebody else for this position, then you should vote me off at thr appropriate time per the new policy, which would be in 1-2 months. I dont see why this thread should be taken seriously other than pointing out my lack of inactivity which I have already explained why before in other forums and now here. according to the policy we can make a vote off whenever we really want, the things that happens every 3 months is the approval poll, not a vote off thing. As of this current term of being Ecd, you have done practically nothing thus provocating a vote off thread Also to add onto this, you moving isn't even that good of an excuse, if you where moving then you should've either 1) not applied for the position in the first place knowing you wouldn't be able to proform your duties 2) made a thread about your absence and assign someone to temporarily take over for you Or 3) at least made an attempt to give us some sort of update showing that you have been doing anything at all related to being Ecd, Seth has had to add many people for you because you where not able to fulfill your duties and do it You obviously glossed over the entirety of this thread, because I already admitted I was unaware of the clause stating that a run-off election could be held at any given time. Which is something I am obviously completely against, given the fact that it can only cause these idiotic call-out threads to occur which have no grounds in reality. "if you where moving then you should've either 1) not applied for the position in the first place knowing you wouldn't be able to proform your duties" I am so sorry I didn't think I was going to be inactive as ECD when I applied because I at one point in the future might/might not have a major life event occur. I didn't know I was going to move when I applied, jackass. "2) made a thread about your absence and assign someone to temporarily take over for you" Why? I had already made a thread in the MB lougne detailing what the MB team had to do in regards to the spawn. "Or 3) at least made an attempt to give us some sort of update showing that you have been doing anything at all related to being Ecd, Seth has had to add many people for you because you where not able to fulfill your duties and do it" Who? As far as I am aware, I have added all current MBs ingame who have either reinstated or applied. I think this is just a reoccurring problem with the ECD role. A whole executive spot to manage master builders seems really weird. There's another poll posted to further outline what the ECD does but honestly I still don't see the point in keeping it an executive roll. What do master builders do besides build in their world? why do they need this world in the first place? what are they actually contributing to the server? (also miwo was on pace to get removed July 1st) You still have yet to answer my earlier question: why was I on pace to get removed by july 1st? Your policy was enacted on the 11th of JUNE, meaning it has only been half a month since. So I ask again: why was I on pace to get removed other than ingame inactivity which has been halted for 1-2 months. totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67163/executive-policy-informationThis has been quite the theme for a few years but the server keeps giving him the role anyways. After he ragequits from being removed this time, let it be finished. I think you have a general boner for me. The server keeps giving it to me becuase they see me as the most fit, which has been evident time and time again where I (to my knowledge) always have won a majority of the vote. If I saw some evidence showing a long period of inactivity (a few months) i would also like to mention this users general inactivity with the mbs and the rest of the discord as well, we have an MB announcement channel which was made for the ecd to tell us about any projects or updates on anything. Nothing has been posted in there since F E B R U A R YThis in my opinion is proof that he is not doing his duty of handling master builder projects, and hasn't for many months. Many months? I have literally built 95% of EVERYTHING you see in the MB world, and I made sure to give all teh current MBs the ability to work on the new spawn independently without my supervision. So great "proof" you got there. I believe there already was a thread in which he explained why that was the case. He's been around since 2010, created many of the most legendary and memorable maps for this server, and was pretty much the creation of the master builder/creative designer position back a decade ago. Certainly not a person with the level of experience we should be booting off the ship. A person who doesn't do anything should not have their position... Executives are now required by policy to post activity logs, which he has yet to do. Just because he's an old admin, and certainly qualified for the position, doesn't mean he should keep it since he's literally worthless as of this past year. it states in policy that the master builder is required to manage master builder projects, and he is not doing so. Worthless since this past year? You never play on the server, so how could you even be able to claim this as a fact? The polciy was enacted HALF A MONTH AGO. So I'm very sorry for not getting much done within that timespan whilst simultanously moving homes, oh wait - I gave the MB's plenty of opportunity to build by themselves. Stop speaking out of your ass. I believe there already was a thread in which he explained why that was the case. He's been around since 2010, created many of the most legendary and memorable maps for this server, and was pretty much the creation of the master builder/creative designer position back a decade ago. Certainly not a person with the level of experience we should be booting off the ship. What notable things has he done as the ECD? He has done nothing. I like the dude but he's not active enough and albeit I made a suggestion to expand on what the ECD should do, we should have an active ECD that will actually do it See the bottom of this post I believe there already was a thread in which he explained why that was the case. He's been around since 2010, created many of the most legendary and memorable maps for this server, and was pretty much the creation of the master builder/creative designer position back a decade ago. Certainly not a person with the level of experience we should be booting off the ship. Executive Creator Designer - Manages and maintains the Master-builders. Handles their respective applications, master-builder policies, and in charge of any master-builder related project. Executive Admin Officer - Manages and maintains administrators. Handles their respective applications, administrative policies, and enforces the administrator conduct policy. Im going to compare miwo to myself for the sake of argument. Whats currently outlined is pretty simple. You can reduce it to "Admin Officer handles admins" and "ECD handles master builders." Miwo has done nothing to further advance or change the role of masterbuilders within the server. Nothing I have done under my executive role has been spectacular, but I am getting stuff done. Can Miwo list one thing he has accomplished? I think its pretty silly to say Miwo has no power to do anything, because he does. He could host building contests, MAKE MAPS?!?!, make spawns, do literally anything that would contribute to the server but hasn't. There is not a single thing in your description of the ECD duties that I have not done since I became ECD again. "Miwo has done nothing to further advance or change the role of masterbuilders within the server. " What a crock of false nonsense. "Can Miwo list one thing he has accomplished?" Sure, see the bottom of this post. "I think its pretty silly to say Miwo has no power to do anything, because he does. He could host building contests, MAKE MAPS?!?!, make spawns, do literally anything that would contribute to the server but hasn't." I am literally in the process of managing the MBs to compelte the MB spawn, so yeah, we are making maps. Never rage quit, but I have went indefinitely inactive, and then rejoined few months later And yet, you've done this many times. I understand, sure, from the past years of you being ECD, from your past periods of time of being that role you have contributed to maps. But this period of time, from what I've read, you've contributed little to nothing. And I'm pretty sure it doesn't take 4 months, almost 5 months, to move. You've had plenty of months to show some new projects, to start on new projects, to do anything, but yet according to the replies, you haven't. I never claimed it took me 5 months to move - I've said that this has been ongoing for hte last 1-2. I think it's quite sad that you equate everthing I have done as ECD this time around to nothing, when I have gotten heaps more done than any other recent ECD. Here's a project that I have started in the past 3 months; the MB spawn. Here's another that's in the works. the HUB SPAWN. So because I didnt give priority to your suggestion that should mean I should be removed from the role? As I've mentioned, I have been in the process of moving - if people think that 2 months of inactivity (while still updating policies and deciding who gets MB and who doesnt, and mostly just fetching ideas to use for the spawns.) I just want to know what I should have done instead? How can I lead the MB team ingame when I have no access to a PC? 2 months ago I was frequently building and leading the build effort to get the MB spawn finished. But sure, just throw all that under the rug. I told you about this suggestion on the 18th of April, so granted, this was within the 2 months you've been inactive. However, I do remember a time we were on the server talking about this - so I assume you were active at some point there? Not to mention, when you messaged me you said you had some time to write up forum policies, that was almost 3 weeks ago. I understand, life happens, but it doesn't hurt to write me a message saying things have been delayed. I literally have a draft of the policy on my desktop that I can't upload because I don't have internet. I think that this vote off has become way too uncharitable, and for that I revoke my vote and honestly won't vote either way. A 4 page argument about one person's personal circumstances does not seem like how these vote offs were meant to operate. I think it perfectly illustrates a problem with such a thing being rushed in one thread - miwo clearly didnt have time and wasnt even given the opportunity to explain his circumstances before the vote off started. Which is why I think the only charitable thing to do is to close this poll and make a new one with all the new info out there. It's nonsensical to trust the poll numbers in this one with the amount of blatant lying going on. HERES THE LINK TO MY LAST MAJOR THREAD IN THE MB LOUNGE DESCRIBING WHAT THE MBS HAD TO WORK ON IN REGARDS TO THE MB SPAWN: totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/66654/overview-new-spawnAnd here's an image for those who can't view the page: List of some of my "accomplishments" since the start of the year: * started work and almost finished the MB spawn * Re-evaluated the MB policies. * Still actively recruit new MBs ingame (e.g. burgerboy among others) * reinstated the old MB world which has a lot of builds in it. * Helped build a great deal of new builds in the meanwhile, a lot of which can be seen in the MB world. * Started work on the new HUB SPAWN (which is planned to be a greek/roman-style temple, one of the concept pillars can already be seen in the MB world. I think the entirety of this thread is honestly a glaring abuse of the clause in the new exec policy - which was exactly the reasoning behind me not wanting other ways of removing execs other than an election held every quarter. Regardless - if the community is unsatisfied with my work over the past year, then feel free to vote me out, and lets hope the next ECD gets "more done" xfilezzekurt Polaris Seltzeris Darth tozzit Feueristic DragonSlayer2189 taah zeseryu fionn
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 29, 2020 18:14:15 GMT
Potentially stupid question, but why is that board locked down to prevent general access? Even if it's just read access? I know I'd be interested to know what's going on, and I think it might help everyone understand what progress is potentially being made behind the scenes...?
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Post by Darth on Jun 29, 2020 18:19:50 GMT
After speaking with miwo, I have switched my vote to a no - however I will leave the poll up since it's already gotten a lot of popularity and a discussion is at least still warranted.
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Post by nick on Jun 29, 2020 18:29:07 GMT
Given the current situations that we're facing in this current time and also miwo mentioning that he is moving houses. I think he shouldn't be removed based on a couple of months of in-game activity logs. He is still doing his job nevertheless, the MB is operating wonderfully right now.
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Post by miwo on Jun 29, 2020 18:32:40 GMT
Potentially stupid question, but why is that board locked down to prevent general access? Even if it's just read access? I know I'd be interested to know what's going on, and I think it might help everyone understand what progress is potentially being made behind the scenes...? I see it the same way as the Admin Lounge - there is no reason for the "New Posts" section of the forums being spammed by matter that only interests MBs
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