miwo
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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:54:12 GMT
Why do you insist on setting this precedent? Because 1, it's a flat out incorrect statement and 2, I refuse to stand here while people make pointless unrelated counterpoints to the OP to distract from the fact that our admin officer did two racial things and it's actually being discussed as overseeable. I refuse to stand here while executives and people tied close to them brush off this thread as cancer and pointless. Aren't all your new policies meant to have community discussion, and have the PEOPLE discuss things? For you to try to somehow invalidate the importance of this thread is not only the definition of powerhouse but also contradicts the very policies you're using to argue. Because those two instances do not breach the zero tolerance policy, and if they even were to do it would be such a minor offence that it would NOT merit the dethroning of the EAO. Am I close to the execs? You realize the EAO recently banned me for harrassment for god-knows-what reason. I'm probably the most disliked TF member by the exec team lmao. I am not invalidating, nor am I trying to censor your discussion - I am merely pointing out that cancer that is the nature of these threads, which is why I made the poll asking to ban these sort of threads.
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:54:32 GMT
That's similar to saying that in real life if someone starts shouting racial slurs they're in the wrong, but if they get a racist monument built or carry it round with them, they're completely fine? Shouting racial slurs at somebody and building something which depicts a controversial event (not going to entertain the notion of monuments being "racist") are not the same, no. Yes, they are. Saying the n word, writing it, representing the very nature of racism/oppression, it's all the same thing.
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:55:38 GMT
Because 1, it's a flat out incorrect statement and 2, I refuse to stand here while people make pointless unrelated counterpoints to the OP to distract from the fact that our admin officer did two racial things and it's actually being discussed as overseeable. I refuse to stand here while executives and people tied close to them brush off this thread as cancer and pointless. Aren't all your new policies meant to have community discussion, and have the PEOPLE discuss things? For you to try to somehow invalidate the importance of this thread is not only the definition of powerhouse but also contradicts the very policies you're using to argue. Because those two instances do not breach the zero tolerance policy, and if they even were to do it would be such a minor offence that it would NOT merit the dethroning of the EAO. Then the policy system is broken, it needs to be rewritten to be more inclusive of specification and we need to stop setting the standard of policies as gray as they are right now. Frank truth is that both of the actions are racist, and having racial background/predication. Not excusable. The words minor/major doesn't fit in such a topic.
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Post by ron on Aug 13, 2020 6:55:45 GMT
Now we’re discussing about powerposting? ? Lit rally derailing the thread’s purpose here not that there’s really a reason for this thread to exist other than to stir more unnecessary drama
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 6:56:21 GMT
Because 1, it's a flat out incorrect statement and 2, I refuse to stand here while people make pointless unrelated counterpoints to the OP to distract from the fact that our admin officer did two racial things and it's actually being discussed as overseeable. I refuse to stand here while executives and people tied close to them brush off this thread as cancer and pointless. Aren't all your new policies meant to have community discussion, and have the PEOPLE discuss things? For you to try to somehow invalidate the importance of this thread is not only the definition of powerhouse but also contradicts the very policies you're using to argue. Because those two instances do not breach the zero tolerance policy, and if they even were to do it would be such a minor offence that it would NOT merit the dethroning of the EAO. Yeah. Removing them over this build that was put down before this zero tolerance policy was even a thing is like canceling people over twitter for shit they did 10 years ago. Not worth removing over.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 13, 2020 6:56:44 GMT
Shouting racial slurs at somebody and building something which depicts a controversial event (not going to entertain the notion of monuments being "racist") are not the same, no. Yes, they are. Saying the n word, writing it, representing the very nature of racism/oppression, it's all the same thing. The word "nigger" is a diminishing insult and "representing the very nature of racism" is not. Not even remotely.
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:57:48 GMT
Did you notice I actually didn't powerpost as the post he cited is not the full post? You edited it after I quoted it, and it still doesnt make your post calling a thread cancer because you don't like the basis of the discussion, contributive. Oh because you're the arbiter of what is contributive and not. "Literally no party has any time to actually form a some-what coherent argument against the other so it all dwindles down to a retarded flame war. " is an opinion that I feel the need to express on retarded threads like this. Your endless arguments that contribute nothing other than a witch hunt don't seem very productive now, do they?
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Post by Panther on Aug 13, 2020 6:58:44 GMT
Honestly I have to agree with DragonSlayer2189 . I made a post about this shit going on a while ago when the smartnt group was doing it, and of course jack shit was done about it and I got made fun of for bringing it up. That was ridiculous and I don't want to let it happen again this time. Making a build that is obviously inappropriate and honestly obviously resembles blackface shouldn't go unnoticed. If we really want to enforce this Zero Tolerance thing we need to grow up and realize that it applies to anyone in any situation. The build was made before i was EAO and the zero tolerance policy is specifically for chat based "slurs" That doesn't excuse it at all. The Zero Tolerance policy aims to eliminate racism and bigotry, and this obviously falls under the category of "racism and bigotry." I can say without a doubt that if that were someone else they would have been suspended for violating the zero tolerance policy without looking twice.
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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:59:14 GMT
Yeah, literally this whole retarded issue could be solved with a simple apology. No one needs to be suspended over a semi-insensitive build ffs. As is the case with Wilee: no one should be banned/suspended for this. nobody is being suspended over just the build, kae has clearly shown no care for the fact that there is clear abuse and ignorance throughout the exec team. the exec team right now seems to just be a group yesman all agreeing to what kae is saying Hence why I proposed this solution totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/68015/remove-ability-vote-off-admins to prevent these witch hunts that don't end with any meaningful conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 7:05:40 GMT
Alright. So it's clear right now that we have some problems, but at the same time what I originally was going to do isn't going to work. There is a 3 month cycle where there is a vote to see if you are satisified with what the Executives are doing. I am going to activate that part of the policy tomorrow, and everyone can vote. Some evidence brought against the executives are out of proportion. Miwo is right with these threads, they cause nothing but shit.
Honestly if it was up to me, just disregard this thread. I would honestly delete it, but that will not fly with anyone here, so I will not.
Everyone involved (including me) should take a breather, and we will deal with this later on today (its 12:05AM right now for me) so we can all come back composed.
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