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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:47:50 GMT
I don't have an opinion as of yet as an OP here. I am not familiar with admin politics and I guess I'll have to wait for Kae's defenses. What I want to say is that even if the builds/jokes you've made are pre-zero-tolerance policy, you clearly realize that these are inappropriate and the fact that you had to ask Seth for an approval really speaks volume on how that action was somewhat wrong from the get go. What I am not satisfied with is not that you've made those actions, rather much that you realize they are not the best move yet you have yet to actually apologize that they are not for the best and even though Seth has approved them, those statements still carry some weight. I don't want to draw any slippery conclusions, but what you are attempting very much feels like what Polaris has done on his appeal - with or without regulations on it, the actions are still obviously unjustified. What's a sorry gonna hurt anyone? Another thing I want to bring up is totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67945/reorganize-order-ranks-remove-telnet This was posted in Admin Suggestions by Mosley but that was due to him thinking that it was a suggestion meant for admins only. This is justified. What is not justified is that the suggestion was approved VERY promptly - not even 3 hours after the original post, it has been approved by you. Even though I personally would've vouched on it anyway, this is still honestly a very shady move and "there is already discussion on it in the past" is not a proper argument for it to be approved this quickly AND without public acknowledgement. You've also said that "just vote me out when exec approval poles happen and vote-in an exec who will reverse it" which is not a healthy attitude at all - any change brought by any executive can be justified with this reason. Just because it is somewhat reversible in the long run does not mean you are not responsible for handling it properly and that is a big argument for you being in a "powerhouse" stance. I look forward to your answers. Yeah, literally this whole retarded issue could be solved with a simple apology. No one needs to be suspended over a semi-insensitive build ffs. As is the case with Wilee: no one should be banned/suspended for this.
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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:48:15 GMT
Threads like these are cancer. What a contributive post! Your childish insults are also very contributive. Perhaps you should read our forum guidelines
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:49:08 GMT
What a contributive post! Your childish insults are also very contributive. Perhaps you should read our forum guidelines Please quote where I verbally insulted somebody and I will make forum ban request for myself.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 13, 2020 6:49:32 GMT
Again, seth can do whatever he wants. If i think its abusive im going to call him out on it. At the end of the day if seth wants to break policy then there's nothing i can do to stop him It's a joke so it's okay? Yeah? If it's clearly in the taste of a joke and doesn't offend the latter end (which to my knowledge it hasn't) then I don't see what the problem is. Regardless of position.
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Post by ron on Aug 13, 2020 6:49:37 GMT
What a contributive post! Your childish insults are also very contributive. Perhaps you should read our forum guidelines It’s quite funny as this thread really doesn’t contribute to anything but further gives tension to our team
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Post by grntbg on Aug 13, 2020 6:49:57 GMT
Your childish insults are also very contributive. Perhaps you should read our forum guidelines Please quote where I verbally insulted somebody and I will make forum ban request for myself. Why do you insist on setting this precedent?
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Post by nick on Aug 13, 2020 6:50:17 GMT
What a contributive post! Your childish insults are also very contributive. Perhaps you should read our forum guidelines Ah, yes, let me just power-post and then when others quote me I will just tell him to read our forums guidelines. Good fucking job, you cured cancer.
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 13, 2020 6:50:35 GMT
Honestly I have to agree with DragonSlayer2189 . I made a post about this shit going on a while ago when the smartnt group was doing it, and of course jack shit was done about it and I got made fun of for bringing it up. That was ridiculous and I don't want to let it happen again this time. Making a build that is obviously inappropriate and honestly obviously resembles blackface shouldn't go unnoticed. If we really want to enforce this Zero Tolerance thing we need to grow up and realize that it applies to anyone in any situation. The build was made before i was EAO and the zero tolerance policy is specifically for chat based "slurs" I also didn't actually make the build. Suprmn didn't either. We found a schem and thought it was funny. Before he pasted it i asked seth if it was okay. He said yes. the only thing we actually "built" was removing the penis that was attached to the statue and adding the fire around the base.
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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:52:12 GMT
Your childish insults are also very contributive. Perhaps you should read our forum guidelines Ah, yes, let me just power-post and then when others quote me I will just tell him to read our forums guidelines. Good fucking job, you cured cancer. Did you notice I actually didn't powerpost as the post he cited is not the full post?
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Post by CurtainPoles on Aug 13, 2020 6:52:34 GMT
Honestly I have to agree with DragonSlayer2189 . I made a post about this shit going on a while ago when the smartnt group was doing it, and of course jack shit was done about it and I got made fun of for bringing it up. That was ridiculous and I don't want to let it happen again this time. Making a build that is obviously inappropriate and honestly obviously resembles blackface shouldn't go unnoticed. If we really want to enforce this Zero Tolerance thing we need to grow up and realize that it applies to anyone in any situation. The build was made before i was EAO and the zero tolerance policy is specifically for chat based "slurs" That's similar to saying that in real life if someone starts shouting racial slurs they're in the wrong, but if they get a racist monument built or carry it round with them, they're completely fine?
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:52:50 GMT
Please quote where I verbally insulted somebody and I will make forum ban request for myself. Why do you insist on setting this precedent? Because 1, it's a flat out incorrect statement and 2, I refuse to stand here while people make pointless unrelated counterpoints to the OP to distract from the fact that our admin officer did two racial things and it's actually being discussed as overseeable. I refuse to stand here while executives and people tied close to them brush off this thread as cancer and pointless. Aren't all your new policies meant to have community discussion, and have the PEOPLE discuss things? For you to try to somehow invalidate the importance of this thread is not only the definition of powerhouse but also contradicts the very policies you're using to argue.
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Post by nick on Aug 13, 2020 6:53:18 GMT
Ah, yes, let me just power-post and then when others quote me I will just tell him to read our forums guidelines. Good fucking job, you cured cancer. Did you notice I actually didn't powerpost as the post he cited is not the full post? I did also notice that you powerposted and then edited your post after.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 13, 2020 6:53:36 GMT
The build was made before i was EAO and the zero tolerance policy is specifically for chat based "slurs" That's similar to saying that in real life if someone starts shouting racial slurs they're in the wrong, but if they get a racist monument built or carry it round with them, they're completely fine? Shouting racial slurs at somebody and building something which depicts a controversial event (not going to entertain the notion of monuments being "racist") are not the same, no.
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:53:51 GMT
Ah, yes, let me just power-post and then when others quote me I will just tell him to read our forums guidelines. Good fucking job, you cured cancer. Did you notice I actually didn't powerpost as the post he cited is not the full post? You edited it after I quoted it, and it still doesnt make your post calling a thread cancer because you don't like the basis of the discussion, contributive.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Aug 13, 2020 6:54:10 GMT
I don't have an opinion as of yet as an OP here. I am not familiar with admin politics and I guess I'll have to wait for Kae's defenses. What I want to say is that even if the builds/jokes you've made are pre-zero-tolerance policy, you clearly realize that these are inappropriate and the fact that you had to ask Seth for an approval really speaks volume on how that action was somewhat wrong from the get go. What I am not satisfied with is not that you've made those actions, rather much that you realize they are not the best move yet you have yet to actually apologize that they are not for the best and even though Seth has approved them, those statements still carry some weight. I don't want to draw any slippery conclusions, but what you are attempting very much feels like what Polaris has done on his appeal - with or without regulations on it, the actions are still obviously unjustified. What's a sorry gonna hurt anyone? Another thing I want to bring up is totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67945/reorganize-order-ranks-remove-telnet This was posted in Admin Suggestions by Mosley but that was due to him thinking that it was a suggestion meant for admins only. This is justified. What is not justified is that the suggestion was approved VERY promptly - not even 3 hours after the original post, it has been approved by you. Even though I personally would've vouched on it anyway, this is still honestly a very shady move and "there is already discussion on it in the past" is not a proper argument for it to be approved this quickly AND without public acknowledgement. You've also said that "just vote me out when exec approval poles happen and vote-in an exec who will reverse it" which is not a healthy attitude at all - any change brought by any executive can be justified with this reason. Just because it is somewhat reversible in the long run does not mean you are not responsible for handling it properly and that is a big argument for you being in a "powerhouse" stance. I look forward to your answers. Yeah, literally this whole retarded issue could be solved with a simple apology. No one needs to be suspended over a semi-insensitive build ffs. As is the case with Wilee: no one should be banned/suspended for this. nobody is being suspended over just the build, kae has clearly shown no care for the fact that there is clear abuse and ignorance throughout the exec team. the exec team right now seems to just be a group yesman all agreeing to what kae is saying
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