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Post by Video on Aug 13, 2020 6:42:21 GMT
I also believe if we need to change policies for the betterment of the server, then I will do that. Sometimes there are issues with policies, and in some cases they might also have to be bypassed. It's all circumstantial. This entire thing is a mess, I have conflicting feelings about all of it. As the owner of the server, leader of the community, sometimes you have to bend the rules to do whats right. I'm sorry how bull shit it sounds, but that's how it is. At least it's how I feel dude, I don't know, again, this is brought up. You havent even given the policies put into place to deal with abuse a chance. You are changing it because of what "you" think is right. Im sorry dude but you are a 15 year old kid. Im going to take the policy written and drafted by the community of 30+ people over your opinion of whats "right" Not going to get involved in this but I would like to note that using someone's age (which is incorrect, Seth is 17) to discredit their argument is a flawed approach
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Post by serrif on Aug 13, 2020 6:42:26 GMT
Also @creeperseth, like my god dude I like what you’re doing with the server it just feels like this is one of a couple threads in recent memory where you’ve sent the community to fight it out on a thread. Most of these posts just end up in fighting.
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:42:30 GMT
>have rules >allowed to break rules because you are in a position of power We have policies for a reason, including a policy that dictates how an owner is chosen and the powers they have. If we're turning it into a free for all, let's just get rid of execs and policies regarding them, and allow one person to make all the decisions. You havent even given the policies put into place to deal with abuse a chance. You are changing it because of what "you" think is right. Read again. again, i asked seth if the build was okay. He said yes. Thats is. He's the owner right? The one who makes the finals calls? hes the one who makes the final calls, right?
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:43:09 GMT
hes the one who makes the final calls, right? Am i not allowed to argue my side? thats exactly why im doing right now That's not the point of him putting your quotes side by side, he's suggesting you're changing what's acceptable and what's not based on what YOU do/think.
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 13, 2020 6:44:08 GMT
Am i not allowed to argue my side? thats exactly why im doing right now That's not the point of him putting your quotes side by side, he's suggesting you're changing what's acceptable and what's not based on what YOU do/think. Evidence i have done this?
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:44:33 GMT
That's not the point of him putting your quotes side by side, he's suggesting you're changing what's acceptable and what's not based on what YOU do/think. Evidence i have done this? Those two quotes? LOL
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grntbg
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Post by grntbg on Aug 13, 2020 6:44:48 GMT
This thread reads like a shorthand conversation and would be much easier to follow on something other than a forum (Discord).
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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:45:04 GMT
Threads like these are cancer.
Literally no party has any time to actually form a some-what coherent argument against the other so it all dwindles down to a retarded flame war.
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Feueristic
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Post by Feueristic on Aug 13, 2020 6:45:06 GMT
I don't have an opinion as of yet as an OP here. I am not familiar with admin politics and I guess I'll have to wait for Kae's defenses. What I want to say is that even if the builds/jokes you've made are pre-zero-tolerance policy, you clearly realize that these are inappropriate and the fact that you had to ask Seth for an approval really speaks volume on how that action was somewhat wrong from the get go. What I am not satisfied with is not that you've made those actions, rather much that you realize they are not the best move yet you have yet to actually apologize that they are not for the best and even though Seth has approved them, those statements still carry some weight. I don't want to draw any slippery conclusions, but what you are attempting very much feels like what Polaris has done on his appeal - with or without regulations on it, the actions are still obviously unjustified. What's a sorry gonna hurt anyone? Another thing I want to bring up is totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67945/reorganize-order-ranks-remove-telnet This was posted in Admin Suggestions by Mosley but that was due to him thinking that it was a suggestion meant for admins only. This is justified. What is not justified is that the suggestion was approved VERY promptly - not even 3 hours after the original post, it has been approved by you. Even though I personally would've vouched on it anyway, this is still honestly a very shady move and "there is already discussion on it in the past" is not a proper argument for it to be approved this quickly AND without public acknowledgement. You've also said that "just vote me out when exec approval poles happen and vote-in an exec who will reverse it" which is not a healthy attitude at all - any change brought by any executive can be justified with this reason. Just because it is somewhat reversible in the long run does not mean you are not responsible for handling it properly and that is a big argument for you being in a "powerhouse" stance. I look forward to your answers.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Aug 13, 2020 6:45:15 GMT
That's not the point of him putting your quotes side by side, he's suggesting you're changing what's acceptable and what's not based on what YOU do/think. Evidence i have done this? earlier you said that what the owner says is final, but now your saying its not? im confused
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Post by Panther on Aug 13, 2020 6:45:29 GMT
Honestly I have to agree with DragonSlayer2189. I made a post about this shit going on a while ago when the smartnt group was doing it, and of course jack shit was done about it and I got made fun of for bringing it up. That was ridiculous and I don't want to let it happen again this time. Making a build that is obviously inappropriate and honestly obviously resembles blackface shouldn't go unnoticed. If we really want to enforce this Zero Tolerance thing we need to grow up and realize that it applies to anyone in any situation.
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:45:50 GMT
Threads like these are cancer. What a contributive post!
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 13, 2020 6:46:08 GMT
Evidence i have done this? Those two quotes? LOL Again, seth can do whatever he wants. If i think its abusive im going to call him out on it. At the end of the day if seth wants to break policy then there's nothing i can do to stop him
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:46:19 GMT
Making a build that is obviously inappropriate and honestly obviously resembles blackface shouldn't go unnoticed. If we really want to enforce this Zero Tolerance thing we need to grow up and realize that it applies to anyone in any situation. This couldn't be closer to the bigger picture.
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:46:56 GMT
Again, seth can do whatever he wants. If i think its abusive im going to call him out on it. At the end of the day if seth wants to break policy then there's nothing i can do to stop him What about when you do it? It's a joke so it's okay? Or are you suggesting that you get to deem whats right and wrong for everybody?
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