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Post by grntbg on Aug 13, 2020 6:35:35 GMT
This thread seems comical. On one hand you've an administrator supposing an executive be removed for building something in-game (seriously?) and on the other, a slew of unsubstantiated claims made against people with no apparent cause other than "higher ups bad." If you truly believe this, you're purposely skimming the thread LOL. We posted screenshot evidence, with complete context and yet because it's a gray area, and doesn't DEFINITIVELY fall under any specific sentence in our policy, it's completely out of the discussion. This is a joke! The fact that admins can act like this and simply justify it all with "only kidding relax u fuckin ass" is ridiculous! I am not "purposely skimming the thread." I'm coming to a conclusion based on reading the posts in this thread and if you can't accept that others might not agree with your interpretation of current events, somebody's being unrealistic on one side of the aisle.
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Post by zekurt on Aug 13, 2020 6:35:50 GMT
A group of likeminded individuals are attempting to convince everyone else that the executive team is full of likeminded individuals and must be removed. Nice to see screenshots from a private group chat are being shared like candy. The owner streaming his disagreements with the executives to the very people orchestrating this is fucking ridiculous. What matters isn't that there are groups of consensus, it's under what basis the consensus takes place. We aren't suggesting it's wrong that the execs agree on and carry out things, it's the way they do it. Personal view, feeling, emotion, beliefs. What are you attempting to say here? You're being painfully vague. What exactly have they agreed on that you think is out of line?
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 13, 2020 6:36:10 GMT
This thread seems comical. On one hand you've an administrator supposing an executive be removed for building something in-game (seriously?) and on the other, a slew of unsubstantiated claims made against people with no apparent cause other than "higher ups bad." If you truly believe this, you're purposely skimming the thread LOL. We posted screenshot evidence, with complete context and yet because it's a gray area, and doesn't DEFINITIVELY fall under any specific sentence in our policy, it's completely out of the discussion. This is a joke! The fact that admins can act like this and simply justify it all with "only kidding relax u fuckin ass" is ridiculous! You provided a singular instance which happened an hour ago of the executive groupchat. Seth was already going to post this thread. You have the "racist" build. What other proof do you have of our execs abusing enough to be forcefully removed by the owner?
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:37:00 GMT
If you truly believe this, you're purposely skimming the thread LOL. We posted screenshot evidence, with complete context and yet because it's a gray area, and doesn't DEFINITIVELY fall under any specific sentence in our policy, it's completely out of the discussion. This is a joke! The fact that admins can act like this and simply justify it all with "only kidding relax u fuckin ass" is ridiculous! I am not "purposely skimming the thread." I'm coming to a conclusion based on reading the posts in this thread and if you can't accept that others might not agree with your interpretation of current events, somebody's being unrealistic on one side of the aisle. Is it the side defending things with gray area responses and dismissing context, or is it the side providing screenshots of the EAO goofing off, making racially-tied(NOT DIRECTLY, BUT THAT DOESNT JUSTIFY IT) jokes, and threatening vote-off for opposed discussion.
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Post by Zaid on Aug 13, 2020 6:37:08 GMT
As the owner of the server, leader of the community, sometimes you have to bend the rules to do whats right. This is blatant abuse of power. Full stop. Don't want stuff like the January fiasco happening again? Then don't do this shit.
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Post by miwo on Aug 13, 2020 6:37:59 GMT
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:38:13 GMT
If you truly believe this, you're purposely skimming the thread LOL. We posted screenshot evidence, with complete context and yet because it's a gray area, and doesn't DEFINITIVELY fall under any specific sentence in our policy, it's completely out of the discussion. This is a joke! The fact that admins can act like this and simply justify it all with "only kidding relax u fuckin ass" is ridiculous! You provided a singular instance which happened an hour ago of the executive groupchat. Seth was already going to post this thread. You have the "racist" build. What other proof do you have of our execs abusing enough to be forcefully removed by the owner? If I go back and spend hours thoroughly investigating threads, logs and screenshots of your execs verbally abusing me with insults because I stated an opinion, I could, but trust me when I tell you the whole problem we're complaining about is that this isnt enough already for somebody who is supposed to set an example to be removed.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 13, 2020 6:38:22 GMT
I am not "purposely skimming the thread." I'm coming to a conclusion based on reading the posts in this thread and if you can't accept that others might not agree with your interpretation of current events, somebody's being unrealistic on one side of the aisle. Is it the side defending things with gray area responses and dismissing context, or is it the side providing screenshots of the EAO goofing off, making racially-tied(NOT DIRECTLY, BUT THAT DOESNT JUSTIFY IT) jokes, and threatening vote-off for opposed discussion. I am defending people with gray area responses to moot points and "screenshots" which do not lead to the conclusion you're supposing.
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Post by nick on Aug 13, 2020 6:38:52 GMT
As the owner of the server, leader of the community, sometimes you have to bend the rules to do whats right. This is blatant abuse of power. Full stop. Don't want stuff like the January fiasco happening again? Then don't do this shit. How is that power abuse?
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Post by zekurt on Aug 13, 2020 6:39:19 GMT
A group of likeminded individuals are attempting to convince everyone else that the executive team is full of likeminded individuals and must be removed. Nice to see screenshots from a private group chat are being shared like candy. The owner streaming his disagreements with the executives to the very people orchestrating this is fucking ridiculous. If you want kae to act nicer in private discussions, don't start it off by threatening to remove her against policy. Now that's bullshit, Seth don't stream just because he wanted to share his disagreement but because we told him to talk to the executive team and get their opinions, it's SKS's response that got us by shock. If you witnessed the amount of disrespect that was shown from Kae to Seth, it was 100% out of order. The discussion started off with Seth vaguely calling for more "diversity" in the admin team. Kae continued to jokingly respond until it suddenly became clear that seth was serious after mentioning removing current executives. The "disrespect" that seth experienced from kae was after seth showed that he was very willing to go against policy to forcefully remove elected executives. If you put yourself in her shoes, you might be able to understand why she'd be upset to this idea. Now you're attempting to use her response to this discussion as the reason to remove her, when the discussion was removing her in the first place.
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 13, 2020 6:39:46 GMT
You provided a singular instance which happened an hour ago of the executive groupchat. Seth was already going to post this thread. You have the "racist" build. What other proof do you have of our execs abusing enough to be forcefully removed by the owner? If I go back and spend hours thoroughly investigating threads, logs and screenshots of your execs verbally abusing me with insults because I stated an opinion, I could, but trust me when I tell you the whole problem we're complaining about is that this isnt enough already for somebody who is supposed to set an example to be removed. Provide proof. I think the worst i call people is "retarded" which is offensive but still not ground for complete removal.
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2020 6:39:58 GMT
As the owner of the server, leader of the community, sometimes you have to bend the rules to do whats right. This is blatant abuse of power. Full stop. Don't want stuff like the January fiasco happening again? Then don't do this shit. It's not. He owns the server. That's how it works.
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Aug 13, 2020 6:40:58 GMT
This is blatant abuse of power. Full stop. Don't want stuff like the January fiasco happening again? Then don't do this shit. How is that power abuse? >have rules >allowed to break rules because you are in a position of power We have policies for a reason, including a policy that dictates how an owner is chosen and the powers they have. If we're turning it into a free for all, let's just get rid of execs and policies regarding them, and allow one person to make all the decisions.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Aug 13, 2020 6:41:20 GMT
You havent even given the policies put into place to deal with abuse a chance. You are changing it because of what "you" think is right. Read again. again, i asked seth if the build was okay. He said yes. Thats is. He's the owner right? The one who makes the finals calls? hes the one who makes the final calls, right?
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 13, 2020 6:41:56 GMT
You havent even given the policies put into place to deal with abuse a chance. You are changing it because of what "you" think is right. Read again. again, i asked seth if the build was okay. He said yes. Thats is. He's the owner right? The one who makes the finals calls? hes the one who makes the final calls, right? Am i not allowed to argue my side? thats exactly why im doing right now
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