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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 21:31:17 GMT
Has this been moved from somewhere? No votes by ops so far. Vouch anyway, it's already happening. I think it was moved to suggestions AFTER it got approved
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 21:31:48 GMT
We Seniors may have access to AMP, but we can't use the console because @creeperseth decided we don't need it since we have telnet. Now we're losing telnet? Our ONLY EFFECTIVE WAY of looking at the console, which trying to read is the equivalent of trying to read Matrix Rain if you're on AMP Losing telnet? This suggestion has nothing to do with the telnet protocol. When the word "telnet" is used in this suggestion, it's referring to the rank of "super telnet admin" now known as "telnet admin." That doesn't answer my question
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Post by AshazTGA on Aug 10, 2020 21:32:36 GMT
Has this been moved from somewhere? No votes by ops so far. Vouch anyway, it's already happening. I think it was moved to suggestions AFTER it got approved It doesn't really matter because only like 5 ops would vote.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 10, 2020 21:33:15 GMT
Losing telnet? This suggestion has nothing to do with the telnet protocol. When the word "telnet" is used in this suggestion, it's referring to the rank of "super telnet admin" now known as "telnet admin." That doesn't answer my question If you're asking whether or not you're "losing telnet" as per my suggestion, no, my suggestion has nothing to do with keeping/removing the telnet client or protocol. Just the rank.
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Post by AshazTGA on Aug 10, 2020 21:35:46 GMT
This thread is in pieces.
Firstly, can someone tell me if this is approved? Secondly, why is telnet being removed for seniors? If it is, I object to that as it is unfair for them. One final thing, did this get moved or what?
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Post by fionn on Aug 10, 2020 21:38:00 GMT
let's start with the actual telnet admins themselves. Now, while I can't speak for everyone, I don't think all of our telnets would agree to being moved down to a lower rank, you see, we have some telnets who have been in their current position for multiple years, and I believe that it would be unfair to bring someone who has been working with the server for so long, back to the beginner rank. The whole point of this is to simplify our ranks. It isn't a demotion, because you're retaining the exact same permissions, think of it as Supers being promoted to Telnet, not Telnets being demoted to Super. If you really care about whether you're grouped in with supers it practically shows you primarily care about your title and not the permissions you are given to do the job you signed up to do. You won't even notice, it's a huge change and will take some time getting used to referring to one's self as a 'mod' or 'admin' but this is a change for the better and I can understand why you and many others fail to acknowledge this but you have a preconceived idea on what this is. Essentially all that's going to be done is: Supers will be moved up to Telnet Super will be removed Telnet will be the first attainable rank Senior will be renamed to Administrator Administrator will be much more difficult to attain. Next, let's talk about the permissions. Don't get me wrong, I am perfectly fine with supers (aka mods) having some of the commands a telnet admin has, however there are a few that I don't think would work. You see, I have heard the argument that we should be trusting a super admin just as much as any other admin, otherwise why would they be admin, a number of times, however, I do not agree with it. True, while super admins are generally trusted, we don't give some commands to them because super admins are inexperienced, which makes them prone to sometimes messing up. The problem with this is that, we don't want someone who may mess up, having access to things like /plc (plugin control), or /saconfig (allows admins to add/remove other admins). the point of super admin as of now, is a rank to help admins become more experienced with the tools they have before giving them access to greater tools. As many others have said as a rebuttal to many of my arguments before, why are we making these people admin if we don't trust them? And even if, refer to the Trial-Mod suggestion that will hopefully build up some more trust amongst the incoming administrators. Saconfig will not be given to moderators, and I don't understand why telnets ever had access to plc in the first place. It's a useless command that I haven't seen used once. Like, at all. If we aren't trusting our admins with commands, I don't understand why we are giving them admin at all. The last denied Telnet application was in June and before that it was in February of 2018. My point here is it isn't essentially hard to get telnet at all as it is, so as I've said, if we aren't trusting our admins with these commands, why are we making them an admin. With a 3 rank system, you have the flexibility to restrict access to these commands while still not making it a long hard process to get access to these tools, allowing for a new admin to work hard with the tools that they have, then apply, and rank up to gain access to new tools to allow you to do different tasks that are necessary for the server, which they then after learning, effectively using, and putting all of their tools to use for a while they are able to apply for the last rank, which then allows them to have access to much more, and be able to do even more stuff to help the server. And we plan to make obtaining Administrator much harder. Making the approval rates significantly higher (80-90%), longer waiting times, more required recommendations, possibly higher playtime. The fact we have a rank designated for the sole purpose of giving access to an outdated and insecure form of protocol bidirectional interactive text-oriented communication facility using a virtual terminal connection and a grand total of around 3 additional commands is absurd. If we aren't going to trust Supers with telnet, why should we trust them with Minechat, Pickaxe Chat or Logs? Last time I checked you can practically do everything with logs & pickaxe chat as you can with Telnet, this simply makes it more convenient.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 21:39:24 GMT
This thread is in pieces. Firstly, can someone tell me if this is approved? Secondly, why is telnet being removed for seniors? If it is, I object to that as it is unfair for them. One final thing, did this get moved or what? This got moved from the admin section. Based off of what Mosley said above, I don't think Seniors are losing telnet. That's one of my main concerns/confusion as well. Yes, it got approved. See what zeseryu said on page 2
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 21:43:59 GMT
and higher-ups now have a panel account. We Seniors may have access to AMP, but we can't use the console because @creeperseth decided we don't need it since we have telnet. You don't have access to it because there are certain commands I don't want anyone running as there are no command logs when executing console commands from AMP. Vouch
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Post by fionn on Aug 10, 2020 21:46:53 GMT
We Seniors may have access to AMP, but we can't use the console because @creeperseth decided we don't need it since we have telnet. You don't have access to it because there are certain commands I don't want anyone running as there are no command logs when executing console commands from AMP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 21:53:33 GMT
You don't have access to it because there are certain commands I don't want anyone running as there are no command logs when executing console commands from AMP. Re-enabled console commands from the amp panel.
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Post by Alosion on Aug 10, 2020 21:56:09 GMT
Regardless of the issue of hierarchy (although I object to the simplification into mod/admin), I think it's silly just how quickly this significant suggestion was approved, especially considering the majority objected the last time it appeared. As Tozzit said, many were probably asleep or away and couldn't even vote on it.
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Post by SupItsDillon on Aug 10, 2020 22:25:25 GMT
ew no I don’t want to be on the same level as a super admin!!!!!!!!!
vouch why not
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Post by Luke on Aug 10, 2020 23:07:41 GMT
you cant simultaneously whine about the admin system and not make any action to change it
best case: cool new system worst case: old system and this new system is brought up occasionally and memed about
i vouch, change is necessary for growth
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Post by fleshy_ on Aug 10, 2020 23:47:29 GMT
first the telnet clan, and now telnet itself. F for telnet
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Post by Panther on Aug 11, 2020 4:58:35 GMT
It's about time. TF's ranking system was confusing to me when I first joined the server, and that's why UMC's ranks are "Mod," "Admin," and "Executive." The transition to simpler and more practical ranking terminology is going to make it much easier for newcomers to understand how the staff system works.
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