zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 5:47:06 GMT
Approved!
Telnets and Supers will be rebranded under Moderator
Seniors will be rebranded to Administrator
Every Mod will gain the old tools of "Telnet." If a mod is caught abusing the telnet tools they will be removed permanently. This is just easier for future admins/mods and current me.
Im not going to ask administrators to manage the moderators, as we still have me (the admin officer) and the IA team. Administrators and moderators will still hold the ability to remove their peers if the situation calls for it. This is a long process that will take time to complete.
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Post by monkeh on Aug 10, 2020 6:11:15 GMT
Approved! Telnets and Supers will be rebranded under Moderator Seniors will be rebranded to Administrator Every Mod will gain the old tools of "Telnet." If a mod is caught abusing the telnet tools they will be removed permanently. This is just easier for future admins/mods and current me. Im not going to ask administrators to manage the moderators, as we still have me (the admin officer) and the IA team. Administrators and moderators will still hold the ability to remove their peers if the situation calls for it. This is a long process that will take time to complete. while i agree with the suggestion is it maybe a bit too early? it's only been two hours since OP posted and i think there should be a bit more input since it's quite a big suggestion
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 6:22:28 GMT
Approved! Telnets and Supers will be rebranded under Moderator Seniors will be rebranded to Administrator Every Mod will gain the old tools of "Telnet." If a mod is caught abusing the telnet tools they will be removed permanently. This is just easier for future admins/mods and current me. Im not going to ask administrators to manage the moderators, as we still have me (the admin officer) and the IA team. Administrators and moderators will still hold the ability to remove their peers if the situation calls for it. This is a long process that will take time to complete. while i agree with the suggestion is it maybe a bit too early? it's only been two hours since OP posted and i think there should be a bit more input since it's quite a big suggestion Yes it is early, but this is not a new idea at all. If you dont like the change, then just vote me out when exec approval poles happen and vote-in an exec who will reverse it. As with any policy or change, i am open to criticism and input and value it a lot. However, with that being said we will never know how this will go if we don't try it.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Aug 10, 2020 6:42:43 GMT
I personally like the idea of reorganizing the ranks, but at the same time I feel like a jump from Super Admin to Senior Admin is pretty big. Even though they're being renamed, it's still the same permissions. I don't know, I just feel like a stepping stone in between Super and Senior Admin was a good thing.
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Post by monkeh on Aug 10, 2020 7:41:25 GMT
I personally like the idea of reorganizing the ranks, but at the same time I feel like a jump from Super Admin to Senior Admin is pretty big. Even though they're being renamed, it's still the same permissions. I don't know, I just feel like a stepping stone in between Super and Senior Admin was a good thing. agree, but it's always possible to implement more requirements etc. and make it tougher for new senior applicants
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Post by Mark the Dragon on Aug 10, 2020 9:35:53 GMT
I agree with the rebranding of the ranks, but I don't think that removing telnet admins is a good idea. It breaks the hierarchy that has been in place for years on end (Unless someone is ready to improve it) and it makes the mission to obtain senior that much more easy, and it really shouldn't be easy at all. Some people have waited for years and earned their senior position or even telnet in some cases and making telnet disappear will just make this whole system fall apart and current senior that worked their ass off for their position won't be happy when someone speed through the 1 only rank and then straight to senior, it just demoralizes everyone who worked so hard to get to where they are in this community.
Object for removing Telnet Admin. The telnet console is a privelege that has to be earned, not given to a new staff member straight out of the door. Vouch for rebranding the admin system to Moderators, Admins, and whatever else the EAO decides on.
If telnet remains, my idea for the rank names. SA - Moderator STA - Admin SrA - Super Admin
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Post by Darth on Aug 10, 2020 10:05:58 GMT
I agree with the rebranding of the ranks, but I don't think that removing telnet admins is a good idea. It breaks the hierarchy that has been in place for years on end (Unless someone is ready to improve it) and it makes the mission to obtain senior that much more easy, and it really shouldn't be easy at all. Some people have waited for years and earned their senior position or even telnet in some cases and making telnet disappear will just make this whole system fall apart and current senior that worked their ass off for their position won't be happy when someone speed through the 1 only rank and then straight to senior, it just demoralizes everyone who worked so hard to get to where they are in this community. Object for removing Telnet Admin. The telnet console is a privelege that has to be earned, not given to a new staff member straight out of the door. Vouch for rebranding the admin system to Moderators, Admins, and whatever else the EAO decides on. If telnet remains, my idea for the rank names. SA - Moderator STA - Admin SrA - Super Admin Did you know that telnet and MineChat do essentially the same thing? Remote server monitoring through a text based UI. Also I'm a senior and i can't speak for everyone but personally, I don't care how fast someone moves up the ladder. I only care that they're quality admins that do a good job making the server fun.
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Post by Captainclimber on Aug 10, 2020 10:44:23 GMT
Object
I can definitely see the sense in removing Telnet Admin because Super Admins could be trusted with all Telnet addons. However, I really don't think a jump from Super Admin to Senior Admin is a very good trust based system. A new Super Admin could essentially get Senior Admin in less than 5 or so months which is quick and easy if you want extra commands and addons Senior Admins get.
Super Admins are also more likely to be unexperienced and should not be combined with more experienced Telnet Admins.
However, I wish for a name change for all 3 ranks. The current Super, Telnet, and Senior Admin system is complicated and should be changed to more popular names like Moderator and Administrator.
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Post by Mark the Dragon on Aug 10, 2020 11:02:20 GMT
I agree with the rebranding of the ranks, but I don't think that removing telnet admins is a good idea. It breaks the hierarchy that has been in place for years on end (Unless someone is ready to improve it) and it makes the mission to obtain senior that much more easy, and it really shouldn't be easy at all. Some people have waited for years and earned their senior position or even telnet in some cases and making telnet disappear will just make this whole system fall apart and current senior that worked their ass off for their position won't be happy when someone speed through the 1 only rank and then straight to senior, it just demoralizes everyone who worked so hard to get to where they are in this community. Object for removing Telnet Admin. The telnet console is a privelege that has to be earned, not given to a new staff member straight out of the door. Vouch for rebranding the admin system to Moderators, Admins, and whatever else the EAO decides on. If telnet remains, my idea for the rank names. SA - Moderator STA - Admin SrA - Super Admin Did you know that telnet and MineChat do essentially the same thing? Remote server monitoring through a text based UI. Also I'm a senior and i can't speak for everyone but personally, I don't care how fast someone moves up the ladder. I only care that they're quality admins that do a good job making the server fun. They "essentialy" do the same thing, that is correct. But one is a console and the other is a text based minecraft app, they might be simular but 1 has way more power then the other. And I agree with the quality of admins you're talking about but it still demoralises the people who spent years climbing the ladder just for it to lose a couple of stubs.
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Post by miwo on Aug 10, 2020 11:15:02 GMT
while i agree with the suggestion is it maybe a bit too early? it's only been two hours since OP posted and i think there should be a bit more input since it's quite a big suggestion Yes it is early, but this is not a new idea at all. If you dont like the change, then just vote me out when exec approval poles happen and vote-in an exec who will reverse it. As with any policy or change, i am open to criticism and input and value it a lot. However, with that being said we will never know how this will go if we don't try it. "Yes it is early, but because this idea is not new I feel it appropriate to approve this change, even though the actual thread has only been up for 5 hours" I think a little more discussion on the subject is merited before going balls to the wall.
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 11:17:44 GMT
Yes it is early, but this is not a new idea at all. If you dont like the change, then just vote me out when exec approval poles happen and vote-in an exec who will reverse it. As with any policy or change, i am open to criticism and input and value it a lot. However, with that being said we will never know how this will go if we don't try it. "Yes it is early, but because this idea is not new I feel it appropriate to approve this change, even though the actual thread has only been up for 5 hours" I think a little more discussion on the subject is merited before going balls to the wall. Yes discussion is good, and its why i left the thread open
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Post by miwo on Aug 10, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
"Yes it is early, but because this idea is not new I feel it appropriate to approve this change, even though the actual thread has only been up for 5 hours" I think a little more discussion on the subject is merited before going balls to the wall. Yes discussion is good, and its why i left the thread open So you aren't in the process of implementing it?
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 11:21:00 GMT
Yes discussion is good, and its why i left the thread open So you aren't in the process of implementing it? No i actually havent done anything but say it was approved
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Post by shrimp on Aug 10, 2020 13:50:49 GMT
i just want to say that to any telnet admin that isn't supporting this idea because "i don't want to all of the sudden have the same permissions and status as a super admin who has done half of the work on this server i have," then you are obviously more focused on personal gain and power than the actual wellbeing of the server and i would read the suggestion again and think harder
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Post by Telesphoreo on Aug 10, 2020 13:54:30 GMT
i just want to say that to any telnet admin that isn't supporting this idea because "i don't want to all of the sudden have the same permissions and status as a super admin who has done half of the work on this server i have," then you are obviously more focused on personal gain and power than the actual wellbeing of the server and i would read the suggestion again and think harder no one is saying that lmao
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