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Post by miwo on Aug 7, 2020 16:38:04 GMT
I would think the reasoning behind that is pretty self-explanatory; we need more admins in less active timezones. That's not what I was questioning: I was asking why we should only allow applications from certain timezones.
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Post by Darth on Aug 7, 2020 16:51:49 GMT
I'll rephrase: we will not be doing what you suggest. Regarding the thread, of we are not willing to close applications completely, we should at least consider only allowing applications from timezones where there aren't as many admins. This response is vague in that it doesn’t mention what “won’t be done.” If you’re referring to the openness in processing applications, that’s not a suggestion, that’s already been done. If you’re indifferent to suggestions and by extension the opinion of the community there’s no value to be held in making these threads, regardless of the outcome. Obstinance is not a good trait for any higher-up and nothing can be improved if people can’t be unclung from this false notion that the sky is falling. I said we will not be doing "what you suggest" - which was using staff applications as a highlight point in our public advertisement. We can advertise that within the community but external advertisements won't contain phrases such as "Staff applications open!". We want new players to join the server to have a good time and hang out, not to become an admin. If we don't want to modify the application process, we should instead turn to what the crux of the problem is, which is OP motivation. People have raised good points on this thread. I'm willing to bet at least some of our admins initially applied because they wanted the fun features you get as an admin. I'll be the first to say, that's why I applied back in 2016 (it's not why I stayed but that's beyond the point). If we remove the perks of being an admin, and make being an OP much more enjoyable, then we will have less applicants. This wouldn't even have to effect admins very much, because the perks of being an OP would carry over to admins. tl;dr I don't think admin applications are the root of the problem, it's the lack of interest of OP's.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 7, 2020 17:52:30 GMT
This response is vague in that it doesn’t mention what “won’t be done.” If you’re referring to the openness in processing applications, that’s not a suggestion, that’s already been done. If you’re indifferent to suggestions and by extension the opinion of the community there’s no value to be held in making these threads, regardless of the outcome. Obstinance is not a good trait for any higher-up and nothing can be improved if people can’t be unclung from this false notion that the sky is falling. I said we will not be doing "what you suggest" - which was using staff applications as a highlight point in our public advertisement. We can advertise that within the community but external advertisements won't contain phrases such as "Staff applications open!". We want new players to join the server to have a good time and hang out, not to become an admin. You're coming full circle by implying that I suggested "using staff applications as a highlight point in our public advertisement." I didn't. Read my post again.
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Post by Darth on Aug 7, 2020 19:37:20 GMT
I said we will not be doing "what you suggest" - which was using staff applications as a highlight point in our public advertisement. We can advertise that within the community but external advertisements won't contain phrases such as "Staff applications open!". We want new players to join the server to have a good time and hang out, not to become an admin. You're coming full circle by implying that I suggested "using staff applications as a highlight point in our public advertisement." I didn't. Read my post again. Would you mind explaining this quote please? But do you really think we should be advertising our server by claiming that we want staff? Yes. Having a server which openly considers applicants for the staff position is something which should be advertised. It demonstrates that this is an open community looking for new people to join the ranks.
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Post by XenVoltz on Aug 7, 2020 20:16:37 GMT
You're coming full circle by implying that I suggested "using staff applications as a highlight point in our public advertisement." I didn't. Read my post again. Would you mind explaining this quote please? Yes. Having a server which openly considers applicants for the staff position is something which should be advertised. It demonstrates that this is an open community looking for new people to join the ranks. He was not the original person to bring up the idea, I was.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 7, 2020 20:17:23 GMT
You're coming full circle by implying that I suggested "using staff applications as a highlight point in our public advertisement." I didn't. Read my post again. Would you mind explaining this quote please? Yes. Having a server which openly considers applicants for the staff position is something which should be advertised. It demonstrates that this is an open community looking for new people to join the ranks. What needs to be explained? Advertising that applicants are openly considered (without any form of deception or barrier) doesn't use staff applications as a highlight point in public advertisement. Advocating for an open process does not hinge on the importance of the application process, or that applications are open (being accepted for the time being). An open process is something this server should be proud of, and in the name "total freedom" we are implying that our server is open, and does things without a guise of deception. In saying "people are considered for positions openly" there is no expectation for said position to be available or desirable to the layperson.
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Post by Darth on Aug 7, 2020 20:22:16 GMT
Would you mind explaining this quote please? What needs to be explained? Advertising that applicants are openly considered (without any form of deception or barrier) doesn't use staff applications as a highlight point in public advertisement. Advocating for an open process does not hinge on the importance of the application process, or that applications are open (being accepted for the time being). An open process is something this server should be proud of, and in the name "total freedom" we are implying that our server is open, and does things without a guise of deception. In saying "people are considered for positions openly" there is no expectation for said position to be available or desirable to the layperson. The wording is confusing. It sounded like you wanted to advertise that our stagg applications were open (for applicants hoping to be staff) and not that our approval process is public.
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Post by grntbg on Aug 7, 2020 20:24:25 GMT
What needs to be explained? Advertising that applicants are openly considered (without any form of deception or barrier) doesn't use staff applications as a highlight point in public advertisement. Advocating for an open process does not hinge on the importance of the application process, or that applications are open (being accepted for the time being). An open process is something this server should be proud of, and in the name "total freedom" we are implying that our server is open, and does things without a guise of deception. In saying "people are considered for positions openly" there is no expectation for said position to be available or desirable to the layperson. The wording is confusing. It sounded like you wanted to advertise that our stagg [sic] applications were open (for applicants hoping to be staff) and not that our approval process is public. I apologise for your misinterpretation. I hope you now understand the implication of my post.
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Post by Jay on Aug 8, 2020 7:17:09 GMT
Being thorough when selecting admins, and those selections being spaced out, doesn’t change the fact that you’re adding unneeded admins to the list. If there’s enough admins to administrate at all times of the day, there’s no need to accept anymore.
I vouch. It’s an unpopular opinion but I don’t see why a month freeze would be so harmful. The fact of the matter is that we have enough admins, and we don’t need more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 23:41:22 GMT
Being thorough when selecting admins, and those selections being spaced out, doesn’t change the fact that you’re adding unneeded admins to the list. If there’s enough admins to administrate at all times of the day, there’s no need to accept anymore. I vouch. It’s an unpopular opinion but I don’t see why a month freeze would be so harmful. The fact of the matter is that we have enough admins, and we don’t need more. vouch for this ^
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 14, 2020 1:51:23 GMT
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