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Post by burger on Aug 6, 2020 19:58:24 GMT
As proved by myself and others, Freeop has an terrible admin to op ratio. We do not need more admins and yet the applications are still open and being processed.
I suggest we (temporarily) close admin applications. New admins are not needed and doing so would maybe kill the ever growing want for admin that is seen from most players.
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Post by ???TheHour on Aug 6, 2020 20:03:51 GMT
Vouch, especially with the admins reinstating and the ratios I see whenever I log on (day night or otherwise)
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Post by square on Aug 6, 2020 20:21:20 GMT
although you keep looking at the admin side, we should really be looking more at the OP side. when youtubers eventually make videos and (hopefully) our op count explodes, this really won't be needed.
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Post by 97 on Aug 6, 2020 20:23:03 GMT
Ice Age: Application Freeze
Vouch. I do agree the applications should be frozen for a while. As our healthy admin:op ratio gets a bit out of hand at times.
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Post by Darth on Aug 6, 2020 20:29:13 GMT
Vouch. It would be nice if the admin officer listened to the community about this instead of saying it won't fix the problem. We've got enough admins. There shouldn't be a reason to keep admin applications open if we've already got enough admins.
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Post by SupItsDillon on Aug 6, 2020 20:49:38 GMT
Vouch should have been done a while ago tbh
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 6, 2020 21:31:43 GMT
There has not been a successful admin application since Bowie - June 18th. The one before that was Lyicx - June 2nd. The one before that was TheRickPower - May 7th. The one before that was Lv_ (no longer even an admin) - April 7th.
You're telling me 4 Super admin applications approved with 3 actual admins still being admin is too much in 5 months? Are any of these people not qualified to be admin?
Closing admin applications does nothing. I don't know how many times I can explain this. What does this solve besides making our numbers look pretty?
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Post by XenVoltz on Aug 6, 2020 21:39:42 GMT
I would agree with this if we were being flooded with bad admins, but that isn't happening. Having staff applications open could actually be used as an advertising point to draw players to the server. If we get to a point where we are being flooded with admin applications, then I would suggest opening and closing applications when needed.
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Post by burger on Aug 6, 2020 21:59:55 GMT
There has not been a successful admin application since Bowie - June 18th. The one before that was Lyicx - June 2nd. The one before that was TheRickPower - May 7th. The one before that was Lv_ (no longer even an admin) - April 7th. You're telling me 4 Super admin applications approved with 3 actual admins still being admin is too much in 5 months? Are any of these people not qualified to be admin? Closing admin applications does nothing. I don't know how many times I can explain this. What does this solve besides making our numbers look pretty? "This does nothing but make our numbers look pretty". Yes, you have said that and you seem to continue to say that, but answer me this: how is that a bad thing? How is making our numbers more pretty than a 1:1 op to admin ratio a bad thing. It makes the server more inviting to new players. It would make the admins less of a clique and more of a team whom does no more than administrate on the server alongside the ops. I used to feel pride when being an admin here, but if I am being honest, it's not really anything special anymore. And why is that? It is because Every. Single. Popular player on this server eventually becomes one. It doesn't even mean anything anymore and it should not be like that. Every time I address this problem you always put it off claiming, "we need to focus on the ops, not the admins" and "this is not a real problem it just makes our numbers look bad". Well it's more than than. To you it may just be numbers but to me, it's a sign of this servers downfall. No healthy server should be putting players in a position were they feel left out just because they don't have a rank. And that is what is happening here. But no matter how I or litteraly anybody phrases it, you just don't listen. Your first point about how only three people have been ACCEPTED in the past few months completely disregards the countless number of admins whom have reinstated. You have made this situation sound much less worse than it is. |
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Post by burger on Aug 6, 2020 22:13:58 GMT
I would agree with this if we were being flooded with bad admins, but that isn't happening. Having staff applications open could actually be used as an advertising point to draw players to the server. If we get to a point where we are being flooded with admin applications, then I would suggest opening and closing applications when needed. So your idea of a healthy server is.. drawing in players by telling them that they could apply for a staff position? I am not making this suggestion becuase we are being flooded with applications but rather because we have enough staff and don't need more. |
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Post by grntbg on Aug 6, 2020 22:15:37 GMT
There has not been a successful admin application since Bowie - June 18th. The one before that was Lyicx - June 2nd. The one before that was TheRickPower - May 7th. The one before that was Lv_ (no longer even an admin) - April 7th. You're telling me 4 Super admin applications approved with 3 actual admins still being admin is too much in 5 months? Are any of these people not qualified to be admin? Closing admin applications does nothing. I don't know how many times I can explain this. What does this solve besides making our numbers look pretty? "This does nothing but make our numbers look pretty". Yes, you have said that and you seem to continue to say that, but answer me this: how is that a bad thing? How is making our numbers more pretty than a 1:1 op to admin ratio a bad thing. It makes the server more inviting to new players. It would make the admins less of a clique and more of a team whom does no more than administrate on the server alongside the ops. I used to feel pride when being an admin here, but if I am being honest, it's not really anything special anymore. And why is that? It is because Every. Single. Popular player on this server eventually becomes one. It doesn't even mean anything anymore and it should not be like that. Every time I address this problem you always put it off claiming, "we need to focus on the ops, not the admins" and "this is not a real problem it just makes our numbers look bad". Well it's more than than. To you it may just be numbers but to me, it's a sign of this servers downfall. No healthy server should be putting players in a position were they feel left out just because they don't have a rank. And that is what is happening here. But no matter how I or litteraly anybody phrases it, you just don't listen. Your first point about how only three people have been ACCEPTED in the past few months completely disregards the countless number of admins whom have reinstated. You have made this situation sound much less worse than it is. Didn't you only become an administrator on this server last October? You're appealing to some imagination of "how it used to be when you got admin" but I don't buy that the entire administration process has changed in under one year. What exactly are you proposing, because in this post I've seen you attack zeseryu for making perfectly valid points and offer no solution yourself. Do you believe admins shouldn't be allowed to reinstate? If so, that seems like an indefensible and unfair solution to our ex-staff who have worked hard to clean up this community. |
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Post by grntbg on Aug 6, 2020 22:17:49 GMT
I would agree with this if we were being flooded with bad admins, but that isn't happening. Having staff applications open could actually be used as an advertising point to draw players to the server. If we get to a point where we are being flooded with admin applications, then I would suggest opening and closing applications when needed. So your idea of a healthy server is.. drawing in players by telling them that they could apply for a staff position? I am not making this suggestion becuase we are being flooded with applications but rather because we have enough staff and don't need more. When it comes to a server people will always aspire to climb up the ladder and administrate. That's part of the social element of multiplayer gaming on small communities. I can't think of a server where players don't want to hold some sort of authoritative position. |
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Post by burger on Aug 6, 2020 22:22:37 GMT
"This does nothing but make our numbers look pretty". Yes, you have said that and you seem to continue to say that, but answer me this: how is that a bad thing? How is making our numbers more pretty than a 1:1 op to admin ratio a bad thing. It makes the server more inviting to new players. It would make the admins less of a clique and more of a team whom does no more than administrate on the server alongside the ops. I used to feel pride when being an admin here, but if I am being honest, it's not really anything special anymore. And why is that? It is because Every. Single. Popular player on this server eventually becomes one. It doesn't even mean anything anymore and it should not be like that. Every time I address this problem you always put it off claiming, "we need to focus on the ops, not the admins" and "this is not a real problem it just makes our numbers look bad". Well it's more than than. To you it may just be numbers but to me, it's a sign of this servers downfall. No healthy server should be putting players in a position were they feel left out just because they don't have a rank. And that is what is happening here. But no matter how I or litteraly anybody phrases it, you just don't listen. Your first point about how only three people have been ACCEPTED in the past few months completely disregards the countless number of admins whom have reinstated. You have made this situation sound much less worse than it is. Didn't you only become an administrator on this server last October? You're appealing to some imagination of "how it used to be when you got admin" but I don't buy that the entire administration process has changed in under one year. What exactly are you proposing, because in this post I've seen you attack zeseryu for making perfectly valid points and offer no solution yourself. Do you admins shouldn't be allowed to reinstate? If so, that would be foolish. The administration process never changed. When I first became staff I never realized how screwed up the system was. I never realized that being staff was not anything special because litteraly everyone at some point becomes staff. I attacked her argument becuase I find it unfair. It's clearly visible that the server is dying out and nobody seems to be doing anything about it. No healthy server should influence almost all players to want staff and that is what totalfreedom does. Temporarily turning off admin applications would help that. I removed the reinstatement part however I think we should up what an former admin has to do to regain their past rank. |
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Post by burger on Aug 6, 2020 22:25:52 GMT
So your idea of a healthy server is.. drawing in players by telling them that they could apply for a staff position? I am not making this suggestion becuase we are being flooded with applications but rather because we have enough staff and don't need more. When it comes to a server people will always aspire to climb up the ladder and administrate. That's part of the social element of multiplayer gaming on small communities. I can't think of a server where players don't want to hold some sort of authoritative position. But do you really think we should be advertising our server by claiming that we want staff? We don't need staff. It's getting to the point where I find it annoying when a old player reinstated or gets accepted. Not because of them but because of how ridiculous high our admin count is. |
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Post by grntbg on Aug 6, 2020 22:31:44 GMT
Didn't you only become an administrator on this server last October? You're appealing to some imagination of "how it used to be when you got admin" but I don't buy that the entire administration process has changed in under one year. What exactly are you proposing, because in this post I've seen you attack zeseryu for making perfectly valid points and offer no solution yourself. Do you admins shouldn't be allowed to reinstate? If so, that would be foolish. The administration process never changed. When I first became staff I never realized how screwed up the system was. I never realized that being staff was not anything special because litteraly everyone at some point becomes staff. I attacked her argument becuase I find it unfair. It's clearly visible that the server is dying out and nobody seems to be doing anything about it. No healthy server should influence almost all players to want staff and that is what totalfreedom does. Temporarily turning off admin applications would help that. I removed the reinstatement part however I think we should up what an former admin has to do to regain their past rank. What makes an administrative position "special" isn't that you're the only person holding said position, it's not merited by exclusivity but by quality. The server's playerbase has dropped but the server in no way is "dying out." It's had a relatively low amount of players both prior to and during your tenure as admin compared to six or so years ago, but only because the game's decreased in popularity since then. Players don't want staff because they're "influenced by the server" but because gaining a high position of authority is coveted on community-based multiplayer servers. Always has been. |
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