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Post by dog on Aug 7, 2020 11:14:11 GMT
Object refer above
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AshazTGA
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Post by AshazTGA on Aug 7, 2020 11:19:49 GMT
Object. We have a lot of admins, but no players. That's our issue, we have no new players. The SL team are already working hard to get more players onto TF.
We can only suggest closing applications when we have at least 25 OPs non-stop.
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Post by ginlang on Aug 7, 2020 11:20:06 GMT
I object, the admin:op ratio is stable, and almost all of the admin applications that are not reinstatement applications are denied.
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Post by ginlang on Aug 7, 2020 11:20:50 GMT
Object. We have a lot of admins, but no players. That's our issue, we have no new players. The SL team are already working hard to get more players onto TF. We can only suggest closing applications when we have at least 25 OPs non-stop. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you already object? And why would we close applications when we have loads of OPs? That makes no sense.
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Post by Darth on Aug 7, 2020 11:27:17 GMT
This is a suggestion thread, so what somebody suggests on here is not predicated on the basis that whatever they are proposing is already implemented, otherwise there's nothing to suggest. I'll rephrase: we will not be doing what you suggest. Regarding the thread, of we are not willing to close applications completely, we should at least consider only allowing applications from timezones where there aren't as many admins.
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AshazTGA
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Post by AshazTGA on Aug 7, 2020 11:50:09 GMT
Object. We have a lot of admins, but no players. That's our issue, we have no new players. The SL team are already working hard to get more players onto TF. We can only suggest closing applications when we have at least 25 OPs non-stop. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you already object? And why would we close applications when we have loads of OPs? That makes no sense. Because even though we have many admins right now, there's not enough OPs. We just need more OPs and we should only close applications after we get consistent players.
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Post by sergio24m on Aug 7, 2020 11:52:25 GMT
This is a suggestion thread, so what somebody suggests on here is not predicated on the basis that whatever they are proposing is already implemented, otherwise there's nothing to suggest. I'll rephrase: we will not be doing what you suggest. Regarding the thread, of we are not willing to close applications completely, we should at least consider only allowing applications from timezones where there aren't as many admins. Exactly, during asian timezones there are always less players, and only about one-two admins online. We need more administrators from different time zones. Object due to zeseryu's reasoning.
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Post by Godfather on Aug 7, 2020 12:06:27 GMT
I'll rephrase: we will not be doing what you suggest. Regarding the thread, of we are not willing to close applications completely, we should at least consider only allowing applications from timezones where there aren't as many admins. Exactly, during asian timezones there are always less players, and only about one-two admins online. We need more administrators from different time zones. Object due to zeseryu's reasoning. During European timezones there are a lot of Ops and almost 1 to 0 Admins. Just like today, 15 Ops all day long, but just 1 Admin.
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Post by miwo on Aug 7, 2020 12:32:04 GMT
This is a suggestion thread, so what somebody suggests on here is not predicated on the basis that whatever they are proposing is already implemented, otherwise there's nothing to suggest. we should at least consider only allowing applications from timezones where there aren't as many admins. Why
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elmon
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Post by elmon on Aug 7, 2020 12:44:18 GMT
we should at least consider only allowing applications from timezones where there aren't as many admins. Why I would think the reasoning behind that is pretty self-explanatory; we need more admins in less active timezones.
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 7, 2020 13:28:27 GMT
I would think the reasoning behind that is pretty self-explanatory; we need more admins in less active timezones. Correct me if im wrong, Lyicx - European timezone Bowie - European timezone therickpower- European timezone Lv - U.S. Timezone The 4 (3 actual) admins within the past 5 months timezones. I don't see the point in closing off apps in specific timezones? We haven't had an American successfully apply in 5 months, and its been i think literal years (2018 was when i stopped looking) since a person got admin in an Asian timezone. Want to know what was happening in 2018? I reinstated after leaving for 4 years, PHR submitted his SUPER admin application, Windows was still owner. We've had more executives than super admin applications approved!! The last person to get admin in anything other than a U.S timezone was 1cloud - Australian timezone on November 6th 2019. You guys are vastly overrating how many accepted applications there are from even the "popular" american timezone. If you think the admin count is too high, its from reinstatements, not from new applications. Here is the list of the past 5 admin applications that were approved that are also American. Lv - April 7 2020 (no longer an admin) Fleshly - April 3 2020 97 - Dec 30 2019 Frozen - Dec 15 2019 Dragon - Sep 28 2019 Burger - Oct 7 2019. Are any of these people not qualified? I do not believe so. I think all these people do fantastic jobs and the chance to have more fantastic admins will never be a bad thing. Closing admin applications will do nothing, even if you do restrict it to the "unpopular" timezones.
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Post by burger on Aug 7, 2020 14:00:19 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you already object? And why would we close applications when we have loads of OPs? That makes no sense. Because even though we have many admins right now, there's not enough OPs. We just need more OPs and we should only close applications after we get consistent players. I don't understand your point, If we have enough admins right now then why should we wait to close admin applications?
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Post by Godfather on Aug 7, 2020 14:10:31 GMT
Ya'll are forgetting the fact that most people have an ''unhealthy'' sleep cycle, so people from around the world are on at different times. No matter where they're from. (I'm referring to Most people not all) So closing it on a specific timezone wont do anything as said above since someone with an American Timezone could be on at an Asian timezone, and vice versa.
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grntbg
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Post by grntbg on Aug 7, 2020 16:27:53 GMT
Didn't you only become an administrator on this server last October? You're appealing to some imagination of "how it used to be when you got admin" but I don't buy that the entire administration process has changed in under one year. What exactly are you proposing, because in this post I've seen you attack zeseryu for making perfectly valid points and offer no solution yourself. Do you believe admins shouldn't be allowed to reinstate? If so, that seems like an indefensible and unfair solution to our ex-staff who have worked hard to clean up this community. Actually, I've seen servers as big as Mineplex telling staff that you might not be able to get your position back after returning from inactivity if there is no space on the staff team. This works in the same way as executive positions do for us: if you go inactive while being an executive, you don't get to reclaim that position after returning because someone else is now holding it. Similarly, if you were a staff member on one of those servers, you can't reinstate if the slot you were occupying has been filled by someone else because there is only a fixed amount of slots per rank. The only reason we wouldn't be able to do this is because it subverts expectations. Large network servers also typically have a poor administration model and because of that endure rampant abuse. Let it also be noted that on large networks, administrators (not to be confused with moderators) are typically paid. On here, this is a voluntary position.
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grntbg
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Post by grntbg on Aug 7, 2020 16:33:38 GMT
This is a suggestion thread, so what somebody suggests on here is not predicated on the basis that whatever they are proposing is already implemented, otherwise there's nothing to suggest. I'll rephrase: we will not be doing what you suggest. Regarding the thread, of we are not willing to close applications completely, we should at least consider only allowing applications from timezones where there aren't as many admins. This response is vague in that it doesn’t mention what “won’t be done.” If you’re referring to the openness in processing applications, that’s not a suggestion, that’s already been done. If you’re indifferent to suggestions and by extension the opinion of the community there’s no value to be held in making these threads, regardless of the outcome. Obstinance is not a good trait for any higher-up and nothing can be improved if people can’t be unclung from this false notion that the sky is falling.
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