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Post by Daniels on Jul 2, 2020 13:09:09 GMT
Controversial opinion here, but i think that there is no such thing as too many admins, i would much rather have too many, than none at all, the point of having a lot of admins is to ensure that we are able to deal with rule breakers at any time. In my opinion, its not the fact that there are too many admins, its just that we need some more diverse timezones, sure there are some times on the server where there are like 13 admins on, but at the same time, there are also points in the day were there is only like 3-5 (which is a bit above average). at later times is when it there are only a few ops online there are sometimes either no admins or only like 1 or 2. i personally don't see any of it as really a bad thing, but maybe we should attempt to have some admins who are able to be on at later times Except then you have more admins than OPs and "normal players" are the minority group that is left out. That creates an unwelcoming environment of admin superiority and makes non-admins feel inferior because they haven't been promoted yet. I can agree to this, as I have seen a shit ton of admins on before and not a lot of players, and then I just felt left out and like I did not fit in with the server, which caused me to leave because I had nothing to do because everyone most of the people online were admins, and they would be chilling in adminworld talking and I would be doing nothing. |
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Post by miwo on Jul 2, 2020 13:12:27 GMT
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Post by Daniels on Jul 2, 2020 13:29:03 GMT
What and? 1) There are admins that agree with me, as can be seen, in the thread link I posted above. 2) Excessive amount of admins can lead to show that the admin status can be obtained with ease, and that it doesn't show hard work or any skill. 3) The server becomes boring because there is too much admins and not enough players to administrate as said, there is competition to whoever can ban the griefer (if there is one). 4) This job should only be dedicated to people who can actually do it, instead of giving unlimited chances, because, let's face it, not everyone is cut out to administrate. If you can fully counter these points, then I might just consider that an excessive amount of admins is good for the server. |
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Post by _Windows on Jul 2, 2020 13:41:52 GMT
What and? 1) There are admins that agree with me, as can be seen, in the thread link I posted above. 2) Excessive amount of admins can lead to show that the admin status can be obtained with ease, and that it doesn't show hard work or any skill. 3) The server becomes boring because there is too much admins and not enough players to administrate as said, there will be competition to whoever can ban the griefer (if there is one). 4) This job should only be dedicated to people who can actually do it, instead of giving unlimited chances, because, let's face it, not everyone is cut out to administrate. If you can fully counter these points, then I might just consider that an excessive amount of admins is good for the server. There already is competition to ban griefers when they appear. I can tell you that as an admin it is frustrating to not have anything to do because of half of the players being admins. I am also not a fast typer either. |
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Post by Daniels on Jul 2, 2020 14:04:15 GMT
What and? 1) There are admins that agree with me, as can be seen, in the thread link I posted above. 2) Excessive amount of admins can lead to show that the admin status can be obtained with ease, and that it doesn't show hard work or any skill. 3) The server becomes boring because there is too much admins and not enough players to administrate as said, there will be competition to whoever can ban the griefer (if there is one). 4) This job should only be dedicated to people who can actually do it, instead of giving unlimited chances, because, let's face it, not everyone is cut out to administrate. If you can fully counter these points, then I might just consider that an excessive amount of admins is good for the server. There already is competition to ban griefers when they appear. I can tell you that as an admin it is frustrating to not have anything to do because of half of the players being admins. I am also not a fast typer either. Ah my bad, I meant to put "is competition" instead of "will be". |
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Post by Premintex on Jul 2, 2020 15:01:24 GMT
Ah it only took 4 months of never logging in I just wanted to display how useless management is and how incredibly low the standards are in here so I never resigned, 6 hours a month is pretty fucking ridiculous compared to any other server No, that's not why you went inactive. You went inactive because you didn't want to make the minimal effort to show you want to give any worthy contribution to this server. You're projecting your own uselessnness onto this servers management in a way to make yourself look better. Not sure if you didn't notice but I'm not defending myself, I'm just picking on the standards. |
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 2, 2020 16:03:43 GMT
(not to be rude or anything but i think we are starting to go a bit more offtopic, just sayin')
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Post by je isnt hapi on Jul 3, 2020 2:33:23 GMT
18 seconds lmfao
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Post by BlueMoon on Jul 3, 2020 11:28:41 GMT
I made a post about me not joining or playing for some time. But now after I god accepted in collage I am coming back for good.
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Post by miwo on Jul 3, 2020 11:51:29 GMT
What and? 1) There are admins that agree with me, as can be seen, in the thread link I posted above. 2) Excessive amount of admins can lead to show that the admin status can be obtained with ease, and that it doesn't show hard work or any skill. 3) The server becomes boring because there is too much admins and not enough players to administrate as said, there is competition to whoever can ban the griefer (if there is one). 4) This job should only be dedicated to people who can actually do it, instead of giving unlimited chances, because, let's face it, not everyone is cut out to administrate. If you can fully counter these points, then I might just consider that an excessive amount of admins is good for the server. 1) Yes, and if you have read the thread, none of my points have been disputed, so I don't see why you're linking to a thread that doesn't answer my questions. 2) Because it can be obtained with ease - that's literally the center of the whole discussion 3) Why do players with an "Admin" rank make the server boring? Admins can still play with ops? 4) Which is why I am all for removing the Admin World and any additional perks attached to the Admin-title which doesn't help with their job. I just think it's wrong to word the problem as "too many Admins", when that is a vast oversimplification of the topic. |
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Post by Daniels on Jul 3, 2020 18:09:01 GMT
What and? 1) There are admins that agree with me, as can be seen, in the thread link I posted above. 2) Excessive amount of admins can lead to show that the admin status can be obtained with ease, and that it doesn't show hard work or any skill. 3) The server becomes boring because there is too much admins and not enough players to administrate as said, there is competition to whoever can ban the griefer (if there is one). 4) This job should only be dedicated to people who can actually do it, instead of giving unlimited chances, because, let's face it, not everyone is cut out to administrate. If you can fully counter these points, then I might just consider that an excessive amount of admins is good for the server. 1) Yes, and if you have read the thread, none of my points have been disputed, so I don't see why you're linking to a thread that doesn't answer my questions. 2) Because it can be obtained with ease - that's literally the center of the whole discussion 3) Why do players with an "Admin" rank make the server boring? Admins can still play with ops? 4) Which is why I am all for removing the Admin World and any additional perks attached to the Admin-title which doesn't help with their job. I just think it's wrong to word the problem as "too many Admins", when that is a vast oversimplification of the topic. I don't see your point here. Are you trying to agree with me with the fact that admin applications should be closed? Because you are giving off mixed signals. |
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Post by miwo on Jul 3, 2020 18:15:59 GMT
1) Yes, and if you have read the thread, none of my points have been disputed, so I don't see why you're linking to a thread that doesn't answer my questions. 2) Because it can be obtained with ease - that's literally the center of the whole discussion 3) Why do players with an "Admin" rank make the server boring? Admins can still play with ops? 4) Which is why I am all for removing the Admin World and any additional perks attached to the Admin-title which doesn't help with their job. I just think it's wrong to word the problem as "too many Admins", when that is a vast oversimplification of the topic. I don't see your point here. Are you trying to agree with me with the fact that admin applications should be closed? Because you are giving off mixed signals. My point is that closing Admin applications won't help at all. |
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Post by Daniels on Jul 3, 2020 18:33:51 GMT
I don't see your point here. Are you trying to agree with me with the fact that admin applications should be closed? Because you are giving off mixed signals. My point is that closing Admin applications won't help at all. But the thing is right, it will. This is because there will be no further applicants, meaning no extra admins that are unnecessary and that just clump up the server. |
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Post by miwo on Jul 3, 2020 18:35:28 GMT
My point is that closing Admin applications won't help at all. But the thing is right, it will. This is because there will be no further applicants, meaning no extra admins that are unnecessary and that just clump up the server. And what about the existing Admins? Ultimately your suggestion would indeed end up fixing the overabundance of Admins, but that would be months or years from now - and there still hasn't been a cohesive argument against many Admins: why don't we just get more players in order to even it out? |
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Post by Daniels on Jul 3, 2020 18:39:40 GMT
But the thing is right, it will. This is because there will be no further applicants, meaning no extra admins that are unnecessary and that just clump up the server. And what about the existing Admins? Ultimately your suggestion would indeed end up fixing the overabundance of Admins, but that would be months or years from now - and there still hasn't been a cohesive argument against many Admins: why don't we just get more players in order to even it out? Well how do you get more players to even it out? Let's admit it, FreeOP servers are dying, and TotalFreedom has just become repetitive. It's a continuous cycle of boredom. If you have a grand master plan to attract hundreds of players, let's hear it. But the first step should be closing applications because it pauses the process of excessive admins on the server, and helps clear out the less useful admins. |
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