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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 5:11:56 GMT
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 5:16:54 GMT
I thought the idea of the activity policy was that it wouldn't be based off of some arbitrary minimum time spent on the server, because you can spend 500 hours on the server without spending a second doing your actual job. Why not measure actual moderation because we don't need admins that are active but don't do their job?
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 5:20:02 GMT
I thought the idea of the activity policy was that it wouldn't be based off of some arbitrary minimum time spent on the server, because you can spend 500 hours on the server without spending a second doing your actual job. Why not measure actual moderation because we don't need admins that are active but don't do their job? If someone sees an admin not actually doing their job, i wish for it to be reported. We can investigate it that way, but with our limitations thats extremely hard to do with 90+ admins. The admins above barely spent any active time on the server, and thus cannot sufficiently say they were doing their job. |
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jul 1, 2020 5:20:44 GMT
I thought the idea of the activity policy was that it wouldn't be based off of some arbitrary minimum time spent on the server, because you can spend 500 hours on the server without spending a second doing your actual job. Why not measure actual moderation because we don't need admins that are active but don't do their job? I believe Plan stops counting minutes if you don't do anything for 3 minutes  |
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 1, 2020 5:21:11 GMT
I thought the idea of the activity policy was that it wouldn't be based off of some arbitrary minimum time spent on the server, because you can spend 500 hours on the server without spending a second doing your actual job. Why not measure actual moderation because we don't need admins that are active but don't do their job? i belive a recent addition was made to the activity policy was made that stated that they needed to have at least 6 hours per month, i dont think that this is too harsh of a requirement. but i mean, some of these admins apparently had less than an hour Sidenote: RIP all these admins, some of you will be missed |
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 5:23:15 GMT
I thought the idea of the activity policy was that it wouldn't be based off of some arbitrary minimum time spent on the server, because you can spend 500 hours on the server without spending a second doing your actual job. Why not measure actual moderation because we don't need admins that are active but don't do their job? i belive a recent addition was made to the activity policy was made that stated that they needed to have at least 6 hours per month, i dont think that this is too harsh of a requirement. but i mean, some of these admins apparently had less than an hour Fionn and I believe 6 hours is extremely generous and easily achievable in an entire month. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 5:24:17 GMT
I thought the idea of the activity policy was that it wouldn't be based off of some arbitrary minimum time spent on the server, because you can spend 500 hours on the server without spending a second doing your actual job. Why not measure actual moderation because we don't need admins that are active but don't do their job? If someone sees an admin not actually doing their job, i wish for it to be reported. We can investigate it that way, but with our limitations thats extremely hard to do with 90+ admins. The admins above barely spent any active time on the server, and thus cannot sufficiently say they were doing their job. I'm afraid that people here don't report actual instances of admin abuse, let alone something as simple as an admin not doing their job. If something is going to be done then it'll be through an executive process, not through the idea of "ah, our admins are trustworthy enough to report X, Y, and Z." A 6 hour monthly requirement is fine, but not by itself, I'm 100% sure that there are not 90+ active admins and if these removals have kept them in power then it clearly wasn't enough (also what happened to forum inactivity removals?). |
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 5:28:37 GMT
If someone sees an admin not actually doing their job, i wish for it to be reported. We can investigate it that way, but with our limitations thats extremely hard to do with 90+ admins. The admins above barely spent any active time on the server, and thus cannot sufficiently say they were doing their job. I'm afraid that people here don't report actual instances of admin abuse, let alone something as simple as an admin not doing their job. If something is going to be done then it'll be through an executive process, not through the idea of "ah, our admins are trustworthy enough to report X, Y, and Z." A 6 hour monthly requirement is fine, but not by itself, I'm 100% sure that there are not 90+ active admins and if these removals have kept them in power then it clearly wasn't enough (also what happened to forum inactivity removals?). In a perfect world we remove every who is not doing their job. In the future we may add punishment quotas as well (as we do have those statistics) but it feels very grimy to have that. Right now, this is a good first step. I do plan on expanding it to weed out the bad apples that we missed, but am struggling to find a good solution to do that. As for forum inactivity, I have no idea about that as the inactivity policy states nothing about it. |
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 1, 2020 5:34:42 GMT
I'm afraid that people here don't report actual instances of admin abuse, let alone something as simple as an admin not doing their job. If something is going to be done then it'll be through an executive process, not through the idea of "ah, our admins are trustworthy enough to report X, Y, and Z." A 6 hour monthly requirement is fine, but not by itself, I'm 100% sure that there are not 90+ active admins and if these removals have kept them in power then it clearly wasn't enough (also what happened to forum inactivity removals?). In a perfect world we remove every who is not doing their job. In the future we may add punishment quotas as well (as we do have those statistics) but it feels very grimy to have that. Right now, this is a good first step. I do plan on expanding it to weed out the bad apples that we missed, but am struggling to find a good solution to do that. As for forum inactivity, I have no idea about that as the inactivity policy states nothing about it. correct me if im wrong but i think that rule 13 or something in totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/8134 has something to do with the whole forum inactivity thing |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 5:39:18 GMT
I'm afraid that people here don't report actual instances of admin abuse, let alone something as simple as an admin not doing their job. If something is going to be done then it'll be through an executive process, not through the idea of "ah, our admins are trustworthy enough to report X, Y, and Z." A 6 hour monthly requirement is fine, but not by itself, I'm 100% sure that there are not 90+ active admins and if these removals have kept them in power then it clearly wasn't enough (also what happened to forum inactivity removals?). In a perfect world we remove every who is not doing their job. In the future we may add punishment quotas as well (as we do have those statistics) but it feels very grimy to have that. Right now, this is a good first step. I do plan on expanding it to weed out the bad apples that we missed, but am struggling to find a good solution to do that. As for forum inactivity, I have no idea about that as the inactivity policy states nothing about it. Why does it have to be added when it already existed in 2019 under the exact same policy? Zaid and Seth used to remove admins for not actually doing their job in-game. The admin system needs sweeping change for us to be fully rid of admins that we don't need but there are some easy wins available to us right now, forum inactivity being one thing that has been required of admins for the past 7 years. |
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 5:40:02 GMT
In a perfect world we remove every who is not doing their job. In the future we may add punishment quotas as well (as we do have those statistics) but it feels very grimy to have that. Right now, this is a good first step. I do plan on expanding it to weed out the bad apples that we missed, but am struggling to find a good solution to do that. As for forum inactivity, I have no idea about that as the inactivity policy states nothing about it. correct me if im wrong but i think that rule 13 or something in totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/8134 has something to do with the whole forum inactivity thing I might be reading that wrong but im pretty sure thats for the default group, not our admin groups on the forums. Also I have not seen anyone enforce that rule or know of anyone deleting anyones account after 4 months of inactivity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 5:41:37 GMT
In a perfect world we remove every who is not doing their job. In the future we may add punishment quotas as well (as we do have those statistics) but it feels very grimy to have that. Right now, this is a good first step. I do plan on expanding it to weed out the bad apples that we missed, but am struggling to find a good solution to do that. As for forum inactivity, I have no idea about that as the inactivity policy states nothing about it. Why does it have to be added when it already existed in 2019 under the exact same policy? Zaid and Seth used to remove admins for not actually doing their job in-game. The admin system needs sweeping change for us to be fully rid of admins that we don't need but there are some easy wins available to us right now, forum inactivity being one thing that has been required of admins for the past 7 years. This is just a starting point. By not making 6 hours a month, it's obvious enough that you aren't doing your job. In the future we will have better methods of cracking down on admins not doing their jobs by punishment log scans and session times. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 5:44:55 GMT
I might be reading that wrong but im pretty sure thats for the default group, not our admin groups on the forums. Also I have not seen anyone enforce that rule or know of anyone deleting anyones account after 4 months of inactivity. Part of that rule was just a justification in law for Mark to delete inactive accounts which he used to do monthly for some reason, probably nothing we need to do, but the other part of that rule does state that admins have activity requirements to be on the forums and that up to this point has been relevant. |
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 1, 2020 5:46:31 GMT
I might be reading that wrong but im pretty sure thats for the default group, not our admin groups on the forums. Also I have not seen anyone enforce that rule or know of anyone deleting anyones account after 4 months of inactivity. Part of that rule was just a justification in law for Mark to delete inactive accounts which he used to do monthly for some reason, probably nothing we need to do, but the other part of that rule does state that admins have activity requirements to be on the forums and that up to this point has been relevant. I completely read over the forum activity rule, how, im not sure LOL. The one post per month will be enforced. Give us a day or two and we'll have a revised list. Thank you! |
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Post by awesomelink234 on Jul 1, 2020 5:47:01 GMT
I was roughly 15 minutes below the required amount, and that said to me I need to be more active. I know this might not mean much coming from someone like me, but I will be more active on this server to the best of my ability, especially as an aspiring Telnet.
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