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Post by Darth on May 16, 2020 23:51:29 GMT
Fionn owns the SMP, he can do whatever he wants with it since he has final say. If he wants to ban someone, it’s his server and he can do that. Not any more malicious than what video did.
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Post by 97 on May 16, 2020 23:53:13 GMT
Not really how the rules work though is it? Rules are rules for a reason... You can't change them retrospectively because you think you're better than the rules... Enforcing rules that were not in effect at the time is just as bad if not worse than not enforcing the rules at all. You may as well go and ban 50% of the server for crimes they have not yet committed... So we should unban him after he did something scummy. I guess you could say it was better than him not saying anything and kai finding out. So if a player builds a house on purpose and an admin suspects malicious intent they can be banned? Because that's going by the logic you just put forward, if there is malicious intent somebody can be banned even if they didn't violate the rules. Might be the worst logic I have ever seen used on this forum in a long time and that is saying something. No, that is basically toying with what I said.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 23:54:05 GMT
Fionn owns the SMP, he can do whatever he wants with it since he has final say. If he wants to ban someone, it’s his server and he can do that. Not any more malicious than what video did. Sounding rather dictatorship there... Not sure that's quite how this was supposed to run...
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 16, 2020 23:55:13 GMT
Fionn owns the SMP, he can do whatever he wants with it since he has final say. If he wants to ban someone, it’s his server and he can do that. Not any more malicious than what video did. "Total Freedom"
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 23:55:16 GMT
o we should unban him after he did something scummy. I guess you could say it was better than him not saying anything and kai finding out. Unless you think we should go back through every log since the server was created and ban any players who did anything wrong that is now a rule but wasn't at the time? Think that'd be a pretty big waste of everyones time and would highlight how silly it is to ban people for doing something that was not against the rules... Just because you don't agree with the rules doesn't make you right.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 16, 2020 23:56:08 GMT
Not really how the rules work though is it? Rules are rules for a reason... You can't change them retrospectively because you think you're better than the rules... Enforcing rules that were not in effect at the time is just as bad if not worse than not enforcing the rules at all. You may as well go and ban 50% of the server for crimes they have not yet committed... So we should unban him after he did something scummy. I guess you could say it was better than him not saying anything and kai finding out. So if a player builds a house on purpose and an admin suspects malicious intent they can be banned? Because that's going by the logic you just put forward, if there is malicious intent somebody can be banned even if they didn't violate the rules. Might be the worst logic I have ever seen used on this forum in a long time and that is saying something. No, that is basically toying with what I said. Who is the judge of what is scummy? Clearly not a rule, because the rule he supposedly broke didn't exist when he broke it. So admins should just be allowed to bypass rules and ban whomever they want if they deem it to be scummy? It's not toying with what you said, it's literally exercising critical thinking.
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Post by fionn on May 16, 2020 23:56:18 GMT
At the time he did this there were rules against griefing unclaimed bases. Now this is "he said she said". Were there rules or weren't there? The rules were put in place on the 21st of April. Caleb griefed the base later that day.
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Post by Darth on May 16, 2020 23:56:29 GMT
Fionn owns the SMP, he can do whatever he wants with it since he has final say. If he wants to ban someone, it’s his server and he can do that. Not any more malicious than what video did. "Total Freedom" SMP isn’t part of total freedom, it’s an associated server. As such, the rules are different and Fionn can do what he wants.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 23:57:27 GMT
SMP isn’t part of total freedom, it’s an associated server. As such, the rules are different and Fionn can do what he wants. Where does it say it's associated? Given it has its' own forum section my understanding was it was an official TF Server...?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 16, 2020 23:59:49 GMT
SMP isn’t part of total freedom, it’s an associated server. As such, the rules are different and Fionn can do what he wants. Then we should not have an "SMP Manager" title or category for it on the forums and it should instead be moved to a subboard of the Associated Servers board.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 17, 2020 0:01:38 GMT
Now this is "he said she said". Were there rules or weren't there? The rules were put in place on the 21st of April. Caleb griefed the base later that day. What exactly indicates this?
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Post by elmon on May 17, 2020 0:04:20 GMT
The rules were put in place on the 21st of April. Caleb griefed the base later that day. What exactly indicates this? prnt.sc/si645u
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 17, 2020 0:05:13 GMT
Is this about Telesphoreo or Video?
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Post by elmon on May 17, 2020 0:07:26 GMT
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Post by Darth on May 17, 2020 0:10:20 GMT
SMP isn’t part of total freedom, it’s an associated server. As such, the rules are different and Fionn can do what he wants. Then we should not have an "SMP Manager" title or category for it on the forums and it should instead be moved to a subboard of the Associated Servers board. It was decided that it would be mutually beneficial to give the SMP a more prominent spotlight.
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