tozzit
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Post by tozzit on Mar 27, 2019 13:59:03 GMT
Moderated what exactly? Everything I stated was on topic. Are you pulling an Infomos just because I made a fair point? You asked why robin had a pc if he's struggling financially. This is a dumb argument and is irrelevant. Not to mention robin works IT which means his computer is his means to acquire money in the first place. But this is all irrelevant. So what you deem as "dumb arguments" get deleted? Seems pretty fair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 14:43:14 GMT
You asked why robin had a pc if he's struggling financially. This is a dumb argument and is irrelevant. Not to mention robin works IT which means his computer is his means to acquire money in the first place. But this is all irrelevant. So what you deem as "dumb arguments" get deleted? Seems pretty fair. It got deleted because it was beginning a flame war arguing over the financial state of Robin in a thread about the state of TF.
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Mar 27, 2019 15:04:20 GMT
holy shit, what happened here?
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Mar 27, 2019 15:47:20 GMT
You asked why robin had a pc if he's struggling financially. This is a dumb argument and is irrelevant. Not to mention robin works IT which means his computer is his means to acquire money in the first place. But this is all irrelevant. So what you deem as "dumb arguments" get deleted? Seems pretty fair. it is fair, since it seems dumb as well for me because y'all really don't need to know about my financial situation since it literally doesn't correlate with this thread..
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square
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Post by square on Mar 27, 2019 16:33:29 GMT
As a result, it has come down to this, I, and a large amount of admins will leave TotalFreedom if this bias does not stop. do it then? no one's stopping you To justify the corruption, I feel that some admins are being treated like royalty because they are "friends" with the owner (I'll mention it as "the crew", throughout this post) as a result they are getting special privelages. it's funny how i was already prepared for this, as a little birdy told me your own possible incoming coup. It's also funny this admin has root access to the server as well! yeah because I setup the server several times and I ALSO fix issues occurring in the server... it's also a coincidence that I'm a developer, but without the purple, yeah? Again, simply because most of them seem to be "friends" with the owner, so nothing is done Seth wasn't even online at the time, you clearly don't check jack shit? Is this the sort of thing you'd expect from a Senior Admin? Again, if an op had done this they'd be banned. If any other admin did this they'd be suspended. It's also funny this admin has root access to the server as well! you think TF is still the same like before? think again. shit has changed bud, and if you dislike it, it leave? admins have always left. Filled the shoutbox with a stupidly large image, something that is a punishable offence for an op, however for an admin, they are, again unpunished. you think i would care about a fucking picture on the shoutbox? jesus man, there's some things that should NOT be taken as a punishment sometimes, because they're all misdemeanors, or as I like to call it, not a big fucking deal.here, to see that this dude already previously planned this, have this word document that i got Total Freedom Re:Evidence of Bias It is clear to me, that Total Freedoms administrators and management team is heavily biased. What I mean by this is there are a number of admins who have committed a large number suspend-able offences, but have been left unpunished. The reason? Because the admins involved are all best friends with the owner, so they find themselves completely untouchable. Evidence: pastebin.com/PjFLaK5SYou can clearly see the mass amount of spam caused by the admins and flooding mailboxes of admins for no reason. I question the spam of epicman in the discord group chat, but square, or “lesnitsky”, refuses to remove the accounts. Even though there is a considerable amount of spam. This is what the forum has turned into because there is lack of forum management, again caused by heavily bias’d owner. All of the admins involved in the creation of “epicman”, are all best friends with seth. As a result they remain unpunished and are completely untouchable from getting themselves into trouble. StevenNL2000 clears up the owners of the “epicman” accounts. All of the admins involved, are best friends with the owner, once again. now, since that's on there, I'd like to also see what bullshit you've made up with this one. 1. petty offenses shouldn't even be punishable. 2. I'm not square, nor lesnitsky (which is actually Seth). check discord profiles next time. 3. I don't want to remove the spam because they're in MY board which is SPAM and DRAMA. It's better than seeing shitty suggestions or permban requests that get automatically approved, despite people just posting for the sake of it 4. here's the big one. Seth is not friends with all the discord moderators, this is not his friend group, nor is it mine. They are not all my friends and it can be visible if you tend to see how i reply to specific people. This is the most bullshit sentence I've ever read, and next time, do some research. this. what do you mean spam? i was the first guy to make an epicman account and literally only posted like 4 things before just desolating it because it was a quick joke. if you would of warned me or do anything to tell me to stop or delete the accounts i would of done it. me and seth are not as close as friends as you think, and as robin said, we're not all friends.
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Post by SupItsDillon on Mar 27, 2019 17:36:00 GMT
Jesus Christ calm down lads it's only a Minecraft server, Seth is the owner so he can do what he wants lol
Edit: Even if you don't like something, it's life, get over it. You're not going to go into a job and make a coup against your boss because you don't like something he did. It's somewhat the same principle here; nonetheless, just resign and go away if you're gonna start all this beef against Seth and whoever else, he's trying to do his best after the state of what windows left the server in, which is fair enough. If he wants to give out ranks to people, so be it, it is his server, so stop bitching and whining against it.
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Aarooncia ?
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Post by Aarooncia ? on Mar 27, 2019 19:02:45 GMT
So what you deem as "dumb arguments" get deleted? Seems pretty fair. It got deleted because it was beginning a flame war arguing over the financial state of Robin in a thread about the state of TF. As if this isn’t already a flame war.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 0:20:06 GMT
It got deleted because it was beginning a flame war arguing over the financial state of Robin in a thread about the state of TF. As if this isn’t already a flame war. Go ahead and find an off topic flame war in this thread and I will moderate it. Who wouldn't want to be owner? Me. I'm happy to leave the role to the person this server voted for. Empirically, yes. Under him (like windows, but for different reasons) suggestions were usually ignored if he didn't consider them reasonable, even if the majority of players wanted it. Examples? Here's one example out of many: And old thread (not that old tho) named 'Make Total Freedom Great Again', which was mostly a thread against the way Mark ran the server, was locked/derailed/censored because Mark didn't like it. The vast vast majority of the server agreed with the thread.
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Aarooncia ?
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Post by Aarooncia ? on Mar 28, 2019 6:18:05 GMT
As if this isn’t already a flame war. Go ahead and find an off topic flame war in this thread and I will moderate it. Who wouldn't want to be owner? Me. I'm happy to leave the role to the person this server voted for. Here's one example out of many: And old thread (not that old tho) named 'Make Total Freedom Great Again', which was mostly a thread against the way Mark ran the server, was locked/derailed/censored because Mark didn't like it. The vast vast majority of the server agreed with the thread. I mean, if you’re just going to moderate it, maybe moderate the whole thread? I mean, the point it’s gotten to is far beyond a flame war.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 6:24:58 GMT
Go ahead and find an off topic flame war in this thread and I will moderate it. Me. I'm happy to leave the role to the person this server voted for. Here's one example out of many: And old thread (not that old tho) named 'Make Total Freedom Great Again', which was mostly a thread against the way Mark ran the server, was locked/derailed/censored because Mark didn't like it. The vast vast majority of the server agreed with the thread. I mean, if you’re just going to moderate it, maybe moderate the whole thread? I mean, the point it’s gotten to is far beyond a flame war. Here's why I won't moderate this entire thread Someone needs to lock this thread. It is getting out of hand very quickly and is just going to turn into an even larger flame war if nobody stops it now. Discussions are one thing, this is mindless bitching back and forth. I understand this deals with the server, but this is the most drama I've seen here in a loooong fucking time. This won't be locked because stopping meta discussions about the current state of the server is on the of the most hated things by the vast majority of the player base. Not only that, but locking them feigns corruption, or at least appears to do so. If we locked this thread, we would definitely be accused of it anyways. Drama threads aren't necessarily a bad thing. Discussion needs to be free, and allowed to continue, or else the situation will only worsen.
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WaaiFu
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Post by WaaiFu on Mar 28, 2019 10:23:22 GMT
holy shit, what happened here? i have no fucking clue byt afaik epicman was included in the thread therefore i must read everything
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Post by Prozza on Apr 1, 2019 14:24:00 GMT
What is one to do if those who run the operation are part of the problem?
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Apr 1, 2019 17:49:53 GMT
What is one to do if those who run the operation are part of the problem? We've rather recently set the precedent that executives can be voted off (inFAmas) and owners can be elected (Seth), which should have opened up the possibility to do so anytime there is broad support for it, though that's of course rather untested.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 1, 2019 17:51:55 GMT
What is one to do if those who run the operation are part of the problem? Nothing because the majority of people elected those who run the operation.
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minimitch
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Post by minimitch on Apr 2, 2019 15:39:50 GMT
what happened to the server?
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