JagWire
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Post by JagWire on Mar 26, 2019 22:35:05 GMT
I can't believe i'm saying this, but Total Freedom is, well and truly, dying. See also: pastebin.com/g6ZUpubhEver since the change in ownership, there has been nothing but blatant bias and corruption. This has not gone un-noticed, not just from me but there are several other admins who feel the same way.To justify the corruption, I feel that some admins are being treated like royalty because they are "friends" with the owner (I'll mention it as "the crew", throughout this post) as a result they are getting special privelages. For example, I login to the server to find this: Is this the sort of thing you'd expect from a Senior Admin? Again, if an op had done this they'd be banned. If any other admin did this they'd be suspended. It's also funny this admin has root access to the server as well! What about the "epicman" spam a few days ago, it got out of hand and requested it to be stopped. It did not stop, and frankly a lot of the admins did not even care. Later finding out that a few admins were involved in the spam, none of them were punished. Again, simply because most of them seem to be "friends" with the owner, so nothing is done. If an op had done this, they would have been permanently banned. An admin was actually suspended recently for spamming, but since they were't part of "the crew" they weren't protected by the owner, and actually got suspended for spamming. Another example, an admin, who happens to be a Discord Moderator!Filled the shoutbox with a stupidly large image, something that is a punishable offence for an op, however for an admin, they are, again unpunished. Co-incidentally the admin happens to be part of "the crew". As a result, it has come down to this, I, and a large amount of admins will leave TotalFreedom if this bias does not stop. I can guarantee that there will be a vague/immature response to this post, but to be honest, I could not care less. All that does it justify my point as to who actually cares about this server and community. If this post disappears, this will also justify the true meaning of the "Total Freedom" server. I really don't want it to come down to us leaving, because this community has been around for a long time, and I don't want to watch a long-running server die on its arse because the owner won't listen to their own admins. Edit:why should I just get thrown under the bus when fionn has this drive.google.com/folderview?id=1m56CY8SpOFLyGL1uoPgEwujWFI5uCulp
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fionn
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Post by fionn on Mar 26, 2019 22:36:07 GMT
Another example, an admin, who happens to be a Discord Moderator!Filled the shoutbox with a stupidly large image, something that is a punishable offence for an op, however for an admin, they are, again unpunished. Co-incidentally the admin happens to be part of "the crew". yes, this i apologised for in the discord. i had it in the shout box for 3-4~ minutes then i deleted it but otherwise, i 200000% agree the server needs to change in a positive manner otherwise the server will soon to be no more. but once again, i apologise.
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Post by mibbzz on Mar 26, 2019 22:44:40 GMT
Firstly, my recommendation would be if you're ever organizing something like this again in the future that you do so in a better manner. When I can find out who this " group of admins" are before you even posted this thread, you did something wrong. Now that aside, the line "Total Freedom is dying" has been oft said since 2013. The server is still here, and it's much more active than it was this time last year. Disagreements at an admin level, while the playerbase itself has expanded do not constitute the server dying at all. It constitutes you having issues with the management of the server. Just want to clear that up as well. To expand upon this though, the server has always been corrupt and biased. I'm not sure if you ever dealt with mark on a topic that he disagreed with you on, but I did dozens of times and it was always mark's word that went, because he ran and owned the server. Nothing that you have listed is a departure from the behaviour owners have shown over the years this server has ran for. How about instead of your "group" resigning, creating strife on those resignation threads and not helping at all, you bring the issue forward. Nobody cares if you leave. Threatening to leave "if this bias does not stop" is not a solution. Actually talking about the issue is a solution. Do you agree that all of the things you listed were right? No, I don't, and I think some form of punishment could be fit for them. This is the first time I'm seeing them though, and do to the nature of this post they're dwarfed by the immature way you're acting. Grow the fuck up. If anyone has any issues ever, feel free to hmu. I hope this classifies as the "vague/immature response" you're guaranteeing.
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Mar 26, 2019 22:46:17 GMT
As a result, it has come down to this, I, and a large amount of admins will leave TotalFreedom if this bias does not stop. do it then? no one's stopping you To justify the corruption, I feel that some admins are being treated like royalty because they are "friends" with the owner (I'll mention it as "the crew", throughout this post) as a result they are getting special privelages. it's funny how i was already prepared for this, as a little birdy told me your own possible incoming coup. It's also funny this admin has root access to the server as well! yeah because I setup the server several times and I ALSO fix issues occurring in the server... it's also a coincidence that I'm a developer, but without the purple, yeah? Again, simply because most of them seem to be "friends" with the owner, so nothing is done Seth wasn't even online at the time, you clearly don't check jack shit? Is this the sort of thing you'd expect from a Senior Admin? Again, if an op had done this they'd be banned. If any other admin did this they'd be suspended. It's also funny this admin has root access to the server as well! you think TF is still the same like before? think again. shit has changed bud, and if you dislike it, it leave? admins have always left. Filled the shoutbox with a stupidly large image, something that is a punishable offence for an op, however for an admin, they are, again unpunished. you think i would care about a fucking picture on the shoutbox? jesus man, there's some things that should NOT be taken as a punishment sometimes, because they're all misdemeanors, or as I like to call it, not a big fucking deal.here, to see that this dude already previously planned this, have this word document that i got Total Freedom Re:Evidence of Bias It is clear to me, that Total Freedoms administrators and management team is heavily biased. What I mean by this is there are a number of admins who have committed a large number suspend-able offences, but have been left unpunished. The reason? Because the admins involved are all best friends with the owner, so they find themselves completely untouchable. Evidence: pastebin.com/PjFLaK5SYou can clearly see the mass amount of spam caused by the admins and flooding mailboxes of admins for no reason. I question the spam of epicman in the discord group chat, but square, or “lesnitsky”, refuses to remove the accounts. Even though there is a considerable amount of spam. This is what the forum has turned into because there is lack of forum management, again caused by heavily bias’d owner. All of the admins involved in the creation of “epicman”, are all best friends with seth. As a result they remain unpunished and are completely untouchable from getting themselves into trouble. StevenNL2000 clears up the owners of the “epicman” accounts. All of the admins involved, are best friends with the owner, once again. now, since that's on there, I'd like to also see what bullshit you've made up with this one. 1. petty offenses shouldn't even be punishable. 2. I'm not square, nor lesnitsky (which is actually Seth). check discord profiles next time. 3. I don't want to remove the spam because they're in MY board which is SPAM and DRAMA. It's better than seeing shitty suggestions or permban requests that get automatically approved, despite people just posting for the sake of it 4. here's the big one. Seth is not friends with all the discord moderators, this is not his friend group, nor is it mine. They are not all my friends and it can be visible if you tend to see how i reply to specific people. This is the most bullshit sentence I've ever read, and next time, do some research.
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Post by mychaeljkmax on Mar 26, 2019 22:52:47 GMT
I’m not generally one to express my viewpoint on the state of the server or it’s ownership, but I’m going to take a risk and be a part of the minority here in saying that I completely agree with you. No, I don’t feel the need to attack the current administration or imply that they are doing a horrible job, but I just can’t deny that the manner in how the server has been ran has taken a great turn.
I think we can collaborate to solve these problems potentially, but when it’s all said and done what happens with the server is up to Seth and all we can do is hope that things work out.
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Post by tozzit on Mar 26, 2019 22:52:54 GMT
the bullshit you claim could be argued about for days, at the end of the day anyone with common sense or a little bit of knowhow can see there is clear bias and a friend group that helps each other stay where they are and sadly its what drove this server into the ground and turned it into dust.
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Mar 26, 2019 22:54:52 GMT
the bullshit you claim could be argued about for days, at the end of the day anyone with common sense or a little bit of knowhow can see there is clear bias and a friend group that helps each other stay where they are and sadly its what drove this server into the ground and turned it into dust. are you serious? the bullshit i "claimed"? i'm sorry that i'm stating factual information, because it is my own personal experience. i know who my friends are and aren't. and as far as i know, the server isn't dust yet, it's pretty well functional with just less admins. this is all happening internally
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Post by tozzit on Mar 26, 2019 22:56:37 GMT
Firstly, my recommendation would be if you're ever organizing something like this again in the future that you do so in a better manner. When I can find out who this " group of admins" are before you even posted this thread, you did something wrong. Now that aside, the line "Total Freedom is dying" has been oft said since 2013. The server is still here, and it's much more active than it was this time last year. Disagreements at an admin level, while the playerbase itself has expanded do not constitute the server dying at all. It constitutes you having issues with the management of the server. Just want to clear that up as well. To expand upon this though, the server has always been corrupt and biased. I'm not sure if you ever dealt with mark on a topic that he disagreed with you on, but I did dozens of times and it was always mark's word that went, because he ran and owned the server. Nothing that you have listed is a departure from the behaviour owners have shown over the years this server has ran for. How about instead of your "group" resigning, creating strife on those resignation threads and not helping at all, you bring the issue forward. Nobody cares if you leave. Threatening to leave "if this bias does not stop" is not a solution. Actually talking about the issue is a solution. Do you agree that all of the things you listed were right? No, I don't, and I think some form of punishment could be fit for them. This is the first time I'm seeing them though, and do to the nature of this post they're dwarfed by the immature way you're acting. Grow the fuck up. If anyone has any issues ever, feel free to hmu. I hope this classifies as the "vague/immature response" you're guaranteeing. Oh it is dying and a lack of development or any interest is it, its plain and clear and you can hunt the admins but there was never any malicious intent and only for the better of the server and you can clear those admins from the list but the truth is they are the admins that do the most whereas most people mentioned here havent logged in for ages or done anything apart from retarded little posts in any time for this server and it truly is a shadow of its former self.
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JagWire
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Post by JagWire on Mar 26, 2019 22:57:44 GMT
Firstly, my recommendation would be if you're ever organizing something like this again in the future that you do so in a better manner. When I can find out who this " group of admins" are before you even posted this thread, you did something wrong. Now that aside, the line "Total Freedom is dying" has been oft said since 2013. The server is still here, and it's much more active than it was this time last year. Disagreements at an admin level, while the playerbase itself has expanded do not constitute the server dying at all. It constitutes you having issues with the management of the server. Just want to clear that up as well. To expand upon this though, the server has always been corrupt and biased. I'm not sure if you ever dealt with mark on a topic that he disagreed with you on, but I did dozens of times and it was always mark's word that went, because he ran and owned the server. Nothing that you have listed is a departure from the behaviour owners have shown over the years this server has ran for. How about instead of your "group" resigning, creating strife on those resignation threads and not helping at all, you bring the issue forward. Nobody cares if you leave. Threatening to leave "if this bias does not stop" is not a solution. Actually talking about the issue is a solution. Do you agree that all of the things you listed were right? No, I don't, and I think some form of punishment could be fit for them. This is the first time I'm seeing them though, and do to the nature of this post they're dwarfed by the immature way you're acting. Grow the fuck up. If anyone has any issues ever, feel free to hmu. I hope this classifies as the "vague/immature response" you're guaranteeing. If the majority of that were true, I would have left many years ago. I stuck around for 6 years, and even took most of the new policies with a pinch of salt. I just felt that a lot that has been going on recently, has not been dealt with, correctly, or even at all. and yes, I could have dealt with it better, but I did not. (I am admitting actually admitting this...) Simply, because I felt the message was not getting across, and that all members of the server needed to be aware, not just a select few. I want to keep this server alive, the reason why I felt it was "dying" was because there has been a large amount of resigations, and that wasn't enough of a wake-up call something is going on... End of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:59:36 GMT
You know I'm sorry but Vicki made sexual remarks to a bunch of people, and I'm not going to stand for it. "You asked Square to make that thread based on Discord ownership. Square, you went through with it, because Seth bribed you with a rank. Seth, you also decided to demote two discord mods because you didn't like them personally. Didn't we get rid of Infamas for the exact same thing?" Yeah, I had square do it, because I originally thought if I were to ask Ryan, it would be paragraph after paragraph, but with it not coming from me, I thought it would go better. Clearly not, I regret putting square through that, it was a fucked up move, yes I did hide it, that was also fucked up. I would take it back, when I first became the owner I did some really dumb shit. Yes I removed two discord mods because I personally didn't like them, but you see it's moderation of the discord server, not your entire admin status here, as the owner of the discord server I can remove who I want when I want. "Robin, you were never a dick directly to me. But, you are biased. You literally took money in return for giving someone a rank. Like what the fuck? Isn't that against TFM's licence anyway? Oh well, not any of my concern." What Robin did has nothing to do with TotalFreedomMod, he used the money to buy himself food because his family struggles financially, it was their choice to make the donation, they literally didn't have to do it. Use common sense. I obviously won't let him do it anymore now. "You're biased as fuck. You may change, who knows?" Yeah, some things I'm biased about, small things, not big things, I said I would be unbiased, and for the most part I am. Do you see Robin as an executive? Nope. Do you see Robin as a Co-Owner? Nope. How about at least just a forum mod? Nope, he's not. "Seth, you add your friends to roles they quite frankly don't deserve." - mibbzz was elected - Kae is the advertising manager because she stepped up to advertise the server Also, why the fuck are we calling square corrupt? He literally does nothing. I've done some dumb shit, even dumber shit from a while ago, if this was me a year or two ago I would of probably suppressed everyone trying to call me out, but look, those people are still here. Thank you for the constructive critizism, but resigning over it really wasn't needed. Then you do this shit: Like come on man, really?
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Post by serrif on Mar 26, 2019 22:59:53 GMT
Firstly, my recommendation would be if you're ever organizing something like this again in the future that you do so in a better manner. When I can find out who this " group of admins" are before you even posted this thread, you did something wrong. Now that aside, the line "Total Freedom is dying" has been oft said since 2013. The server is still here, and it's much more active than it was this time last year. Disagreements at an admin level, while the playerbase itself has expanded do not constitute the server dying at all. It constitutes you having issues with the management of the server. Just want to clear that up as well. To expand upon this though, the server has always been corrupt and biased. I'm not sure if you ever dealt with mark on a topic that he disagreed with you on, but I did dozens of times and it was always mark's word that went, because he ran and owned the server. Nothing that you have listed is a departure from the behaviour owners have shown over the years this server has ran for. How about instead of your "group" resigning, creating strife on those resignation threads and not helping at all, you bring the issue forward. Nobody cares if you leave. Threatening to leave "if this bias does not stop" is not a solution. Actually talking about the issue is a solution. Do you agree that all of the things you listed were right? No, I don't, and I think some form of punishment could be fit for them. This is the first time I'm seeing them though, and do to the nature of this post they're dwarfed by the immature way you're acting. Grow the fuck up. If anyone has any issues ever, feel free to hmu. I hope this classifies as the "vague/immature response" you're guaranteeing. Oh it is dying and a lack of development or any interest is it, its plain and clear and you can hunt the admins but there was never any malicious intent and only for the better of the server and you can clear those admins from the list but the truth is they are the admins that do the most whereas most people mentioned here havent logged in for ages or done anything apart from retarded little posts in any time for this server and it truly is a shadow of its former self. No malicious intent is just a straight up lie. You guys are doing anything you can to remove Seth from power by any means possible. You have a list of people you think is in the Robin "friend group", calling this a witch hunt would be gracious. You're constantly looking for anyone to add to your echo chamber with some members saying directly "who else is against seth" to add to your group.
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Post by tozzit on Mar 26, 2019 23:01:43 GMT
Oh it is dying and a lack of development or any interest is it, its plain and clear and you can hunt the admins but there was never any malicious intent and only for the better of the server and you can clear those admins from the list but the truth is they are the admins that do the most whereas most people mentioned here havent logged in for ages or done anything apart from retarded little posts in any time for this server and it truly is a shadow of its former self. No malicious intent is just a straight up lie. You guys are doing anything you can to remove Seth from power by any means possible. You have a list of people you think is in the Robin "friend group", calling this a witch hunt would be gracious. You're constantly looking for anyone to add to your echo chamber with some members saying directly "who else is against seth" to add to your group. Oh and i guess providing screenshots and further shit about your other server was your way of helping the server and this matter?
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Post by serrif on Mar 26, 2019 23:02:21 GMT
No malicious intent is just a straight up lie. You guys are doing anything you can to remove Seth from power by any means possible. You have a list of people you think is in the Robin "friend group", calling this a witch hunt would be gracious. You're constantly looking for anyone to add to your echo chamber with some members saying directly "who else is against seth" to add to your group. Oh and i guess providing screenshots and further shit about your other server was your way of helping the server and this matter? this thread certainly isn't
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Post by mibbzz on Mar 26, 2019 23:03:01 GMT
Oh it is dying and a lack of development or any interest is it There's 6 people on right now. That's 6 more than there would have been at this time a year ago, or even six months ago. you can hunt the admins but there was never any malicious intent and only for the better of the server Which is why you all haven't been suspended, your attempts at compiling a dossier of "what seth has done" certainly is questionable though. can clear those admins from the list but the truth is they are the admins that do the most whereas most people mentioned here havent logged in for ages If most people mentioned don't do much, then why are they the biggest issue? This makes no sense. it truly is a shadow of its former self The same thing has been said since 2014. My apologies if I took anything you said the wrong way, I had a hard time understanding what you were trying to say
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Mar 26, 2019 23:03:38 GMT
Oh it is dying and a lack of development or any interest is it, its plain and clear and you can hunt the admins but there was never any malicious intent and only for the better of the server and you can clear those admins from the list but the truth is they are the admins that do the most whereas most people mentioned here havent logged in for ages or done anything apart from retarded little posts in any time for this server and it truly is a shadow of its former self. No malicious intent is just a straight up lie. You guys are doing anything you can to remove Seth from power by any means possible. You have a list of people you think is in the Robin "friend group", calling this a witch hunt would be gracious. You're constantly looking for anyone to add to your echo chamber with some members saying directly "who else is against seth" to add to your group. the fact that an attempt was even done is clearly a joke afaik the "friend group" is really far off just so you know you guys are literally doing the same bullshit y'all did to windows and damn is it quite funny
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