tozzit
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Post by tozzit on Mar 26, 2019 23:43:34 GMT
"Move it to pm guys I'm getting personally offended and I'm going to die help" what did you just say to me you little shit? ill have you know i graduated top of my class in navy seals and ive been involved in numerous secret raids on al qeuda and i have over 300 confirmed kills and how dare u move this to PM
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 26, 2019 23:44:22 GMT
"Move it to pm guys I'm getting personally offended and I'm going to die help" Nobody said anything about PM's, but thanks for trying to be as anarchist as possible. I'm simply saying that until people can discuss this peacefully it needs to be locked down because it's just getting belligerent. No matter who you are, this is a terrible look and is incredibly immature. this is the equivalent of a shouting match in a bar at 3 am. Until shit can be discussed at least like friends having an argument, it needs to be toned down. No I just decided to start employing irony because the thread went to shit
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 0:21:19 GMT
dont lock, i wanna see this shit blow up like my friend Abdul on a trip to hawaii
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Lucas
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Post by Lucas on Mar 27, 2019 0:41:50 GMT
dont lock, i wanna see this shit blow up like my friend Abdul on a trip to hawaii Not necessary This thread is actually pretty interesting, I've noticed some bias recently and seen several admins complain about the ownership. Odd how my forum ban wasn't even questioned, too. Maybe the audit logs aren't checked often- that should change. Maybe this thread can actually change something. All we'd need are admins hearing each other out instead of being hot-headed and only focusing on winning a pointless argument.
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Post by mibbzz on Mar 27, 2019 0:49:56 GMT
To expand upon this though, the server has always been corrupt and biased. I'm not sure if you ever dealt with mark on a topic that he disagreed with you on, but I did dozens of times and it was always mark's word that went, because he ran and owned the server. Nothing that you have listed is a departure from the behaviour owners have shown over the years this server has ran for. Has Mark ever done something that was against the majority opinion on the server? I don't know, that's a hard thing to prove, has any owner done something against the majority opinion to which you can decisively prove? We don't hold public votes on everything, so not sure where you would source these opinions from.
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Post by Fluffasaurus_Rex on Mar 27, 2019 1:14:17 GMT
Has Mark ever done something that was against the majority opinion on the server? I don't know, that's a hard thing to prove, has any owner done something against the majority opinion to which you can decisively prove? We don't hold public votes on everything, so not sure where you would source these opinions from. While it's no definitive proof whatsoever, the very first senior promotion given out this dynasty didn't even have a vote until one was asked for directly. The general thought was just "we'll get 'er next time boys!" I think even in that thread you had people joking about bias/favoritism. I will say though, the result ended up being exactly the same and it was his first time doing it so take this with a grain of salt. Other than that, any bias in the past is very hard to prove for certain; mark gave respect where it was due 99% of the time and I wasn't even here while the Windows debacle was going down so i can';t comment on that time period.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 1:39:07 GMT
Again, simply because most of them seem to be "friends" with the owner, so nothing is done. If an op had done this, they would have been permanently banned No. No they would not have been banned, much less permanently banned.Yes, it was dumb spam, but it's a rare occurrence and everyone is overreacting and creating fake outrage. the very first senior promotion given out this dynasty didn't even have a vote until one was asked for directly Again this ridiculous argument has been brought up. This was a mistake. Seth forgot a step, and when notified of doing so, immediately reverted his changes. This was his first time ever promoting seniors as owner - cut him some slack. Such a simple mistake that he fixed. I can guarantee that there will be a vague/immature response to this post You mean how it was when windows was owner, and you were an executive? Funny how you seem to forget how you guys would always respond with vague shit, never go through with suggestions, or really anything the players wanted. But now that you're not in power, you're complaining about it, and this time it isn't even true.If the majority of players want a suggestion, and that suggestion is possible, it's going to go through. Likewise with posts like this, you've gotten real responses and will continue to get them. We have nothing to hide. Which? Oh you wouldn't happen to mean the crew which plotted a coup against the current owner today? As a result, it has come down to this, I, and a large amount of admins will leave TotalFreedom if this bias does not stop. The large amount of admins being your "crew" which wants to overthrow the current leadership. I really don't want it to come down to us leaving, because this community has been around for a long time, and I don't want to watch a long-running server die on its arse because the owner won't listen to their own admins. No, you don't want to leave, you want to take owner for yourself.
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Post by beetlefights on Mar 27, 2019 1:59:32 GMT
Again this ridiculous argument has been brought up. This was a mistake. Seth forgot a step, and when notified of doing so, immediately reverted his changed. This was his first time ever promoting seniors as owner - cut him some slack. Such a simple mistake that he fixed. In from what I saw of this, it wasn't exactly handled professionally- it was handled as if it was a chore, although I do not have the original text that has been edited out at the moment apart from memory. Additionally, he initially just seemed to want to skip it entirely rather than immediately reverting his changes and only started the vote after multiple people told him to do so- Forgot about it, next time it'll happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 2:01:46 GMT
Again this ridiculous argument has been brought up. This was a mistake. Seth forgot a step, and when notified of doing so, immediately reverted his changed. This was his first time ever promoting seniors as owner - cut him some slack. Such a simple mistake that he fixed. In from what I saw of this, it wasn't exactly handled professionally- it was handled as if it was a chore, although I do not have the original text that has been edited out at the moment apart from memory. Additionally, he initially just seemed to want to skip it entirely rather than immediately reverting his changes and only started the vote after multiple people told him to do so- Forgot about it, next time it'll happen. Sure he should have done it immediately. But people told him to do it - and he did it, and I don't see the issue with that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 2:11:04 GMT
To expand upon this though, the server has always been corrupt and biased. I'm not sure if you ever dealt with mark on a topic that he disagreed with you on, but I did dozens of times and it was always mark's word that went, because he ran and owned the server. Nothing that you have listed is a departure from the behaviour owners have shown over the years this server has ran for. Has Mark ever done something that was against the majority opinion on the server? Empirically, yes. Under him (like windows, but for different reasons) suggestions were usually ignored if he didn't consider them reasonable, even if the majority of players wanted it.
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Mar 27, 2019 2:19:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 2:21:51 GMT
Someone needs to lock this thread. It is getting out of hand very quickly and is just going to turn into an even larger flame war if nobody stops it now. Discussions are one thing, this is mindless bitching back and forth. I understand this deals with the server, but this is the most drama I've seen here in a loooong fucking time. This won't be locked because stopping meta discussions about the current state of the server is on the of the most hated things by the vast majority of the player base. Not only that, but locking them feigns corruption, or at least appears to do so. If we locked this thread, we would definitely be accused of it anyways. Drama threads aren't necessarily a bad thing. Discussion needs to be free, and allowed to continue, or else the situation will only worsen.
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Post by Fluffasaurus_Rex on Mar 27, 2019 2:22:19 GMT
Again this ridiculous argument has been brought up. This was a mistake. Seth forgot a step, and when notified of doing so, immediately reverted his changes. This was his first time ever promoting seniors as owner - cut him some slack. Such a simple mistake that he fixed. And the line right after that one said I will say though, the result ended up being exactly the same and it was his first time doing it so take this with a grain of salt I hope you actually finished reading what I wrote before responding to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 2:24:00 GMT
Again this ridiculous argument has been brought up. This was a mistake. Seth forgot a step, and when notified of doing so, immediately reverted his changes. This was his first time ever promoting seniors as owner - cut him some slack. Such a simple mistake that he fixed. And the line right after that one said I will say though, the result ended up being exactly the same and it was his first time doing it so take this with a grain of salt I hope you actually finished reading what I wrote before responding to it. Yes, I saw that. But you brought it up regardless, and it's beaten to death by this point. It's irrelevant.
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JagWire
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Post by JagWire on Mar 27, 2019 2:31:48 GMT
After my long, controversial thread is.
I am finished. I've highlighted the servers problems and with great thought I don't think that I am going to stay. Hopefully it's given you more of an insight from my perspective. But I'm not going to argue anymore because seriff has already published the entire chat somewhere anyway so you can ask him so kindly to give details.
Bye.
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