Alco RS11
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Post by Alco RS11 on Jul 3, 2018 6:41:31 GMT
I Object. An administrator application should be for the staff to decide on. An OP should only be allowed to comment provided they have something urgent regarding the applicant, e.g. the applicant committed DDoS attacks on other players or serious rule infractions. Otherwise, they should remain forbidden to comment.
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kunochan
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Post by kunochan on Jul 3, 2018 12:28:17 GMT
Changing to an Object.
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Cowgomooo12
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Post by Cowgomooo12 on Jul 3, 2018 20:17:07 GMT
Neutral. Premintex how do you propose we prevent the "HE BANNED ME FOR NO REASON” spam? In other words, how would you write the rules?
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Premintex
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Post by Premintex on Jul 3, 2018 20:31:59 GMT
Neutral. Premintex how do you propose we prevent the "HE BANNED ME FOR NO REASON” spam? In other words, how would you write the rules? Comments have to be detailed, professional and has to be about the admins performance in general not specific actions
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Michelle
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Post by Michelle on Jul 4, 2018 0:34:18 GMT
Vouch
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 0:46:14 GMT
Neutral. Premintex how do you propose we prevent the "HE BANNED ME FOR NO REASON” spam? In other words, how would you write the rules? I don't see how this is so hard to understand? Any comment that couldn't be considered a respectful opinion or constructive criticism would be disallowed, as it should be for admins (but that's just my opinion).
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kai
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Post by kai on Jul 4, 2018 1:33:39 GMT
i vouch. some ops may be seen as power-hungry or potentially abusive by ops, but admins don't catch it due to not being online. ops can be completely different people in-game when nobody's looking and in an application on the forums, so i think ops should be allowed to post their feelings about the player and if they'd feel comfortable having them as an administrator. they are our players after all, and the only reason we stay online. they should have a voice in who could punish them in the future.
also - i don't understand what you mean as "he banned me for no reason" comments; wouldn't the only applications ops could see be super admin applications? and they would not be admin, so the applicant couldn't ban ops. if yourey suggesting AFTER the applicant has been accepted and added to admin and gotten to work, just lock the thread. I don't really see any problems with "he banned me" comments. we could also just issue warnings to violators of that rule.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 3:00:27 GMT
I think most of the criticism here is coming from admins who are too closed minded to accept criticism or even respectful opinions from people they honestly blanket label as idiots. Your argument falls flat when you consider that (one) it's actually quite easy to enforce forum rules, and (two) the fact that this barrage of so called ops saying "blah blah whine whine" really doesn't happen nearly as much as you claim it does. Stop pulling things from your ass.
The people flat out calling for the removal of OPs from the discussion entirely, only appear to me as purely biased and incompetent admins. It used to be like that a long time ago but was changed because it was unnecessary, and this might surprise you, OPs can provide input far more useful then your "vouch" or "object" with literally no reasons given.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 4, 2018 9:39:00 GMT
I vouch. It's quite a rash generalization to assume that no OP is capable of giving constructive criticism. Drama was always going to be removed, I don't see why it's suddenly hard to do that when it's an OP's opinion.
Also, consider the difference between allowing them to post an opinion and allowing them to vote, because that's not what is being suggested.
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decyj145
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Post by decyj145 on Jul 5, 2018 15:16:06 GMT
Vouch for reasons stated above.
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?eta/?lpha
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Post by ?eta/?lpha on Jul 6, 2018 10:46:25 GMT
Vouch. But they shouldn't be allowed to directly vouch or object like we do.
I think an OP's input is important since, as stated above, not all OPs are immature (why would we have future admins if this was true?) and some may have seen the applicant commit a violation behind admin backs. It's unfair to not give them a voice since they're the ones being affected the most by the applicant's acceptence.
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Post by Dr. Doe on Jul 12, 2018 8:10:23 GMT
Vouch. But they shouldn't be allowed to directly vouch or object like we do.I think an OP's input is important since, as stated above, not all OPs are immature (why would we have future admins if this was true?) and some may have seen the applicant commit a violation behind admin backs. It's unfair to not give them a voice since they're the ones being affected the most by the applicant's acceptence. I thought that was logic by itself, but apparently not. I vouch because of the reasons stated above.
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Post by mychaeljkmax on Jul 18, 2018 12:58:54 GMT
I’m neutral, I don’t know where I quite stand on this concept. However, I do believe that admins should always have the final say in whether or not an OP gains admin privileges. At the most, an OP should be able to express their opinion on the applicant, and state why they believe or why they don’t believe he or she should become admin. I don’t think that OPs should be able to vote, however, like us admins. In the grand scheme of things, I don’t think that any OP is going to completely appreciate every administrator that is selected, but I feel that if we start denying players admin status because some of the OPs don’t agree with it, we may never see another admin join the team.
I don’t think it would be fair for an OP to judge whether or not a player would be good as an admin before they even earn status. I think this is where the vote-off policy comes into play later, and I also think admin abuse reports would be useful in these cases.
However, I do agree with some of these points, as OPs should definitely be able to at least express their viewpoints. However, it is so well known that many people dislike other people in positions of power, which is why I believe we just can’t let the OPs be the deciding factor.
Just my two cents.
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je isnt hapi
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Post by je isnt hapi on Jul 21, 2018 13:17:43 GMT
Neutral. I'm trying to think of a system that would remove the "HE BANENED ME FOR YNONO REASON DKMFD FD:GHNHN" posts, but all of them are stupid or stupidly complicated. such a system is already in the game an op cant ban another op also the report button exists xd
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Post by Zenreon on Jul 21, 2018 16:02:17 GMT
object, same reason as jwmp. it's already ideal and i don't think OPs need any more space reguarding their application
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