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Post by ?? MrPerson660 ?? on Apr 13, 2017 19:58:10 GMT
Didn't know airport police work for the government... That's just not true at all. Oh right a company mistake is his fault now, good job. Company at fault for creating the circumstance, man at fiault for his own injuries, could've easily stepped off the plane and filed a lawsuit against United. He could (and is) sueing them either way. In fact, himself and his team of lawyers just initiated the process. Also, your last point about himself being responsible for his injuries, that is simply incorrect. The airline and the security team's brutality were the direct cause of his injuries. They are the ones to blame for this, not him. |
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Post by Atir25 on Apr 13, 2017 19:59:10 GMT
Company at fault for creating the circumstance, man at fiault for his own injuries, could've easily stepped off the plane and filed a lawsuit against United. He could (and is) sue them either way. In fact, himself and his team of lawyers just initiated the process. And I agree that UA is at fault for creating this circumstance where they have to kick a passenger off the flight, but still the most logical response to a security team asking you to leave is just to leave, and then maybe turn to sue. |
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Post by Atir25 on Apr 13, 2017 20:04:22 GMT
It was airport police, essentially the same thing. To "beat the shit out of someone" is an overstatement, he literally tried to resist removal they only intended to remove him, and when you are struggling in the way that he was, you have to expect that he's gonna hit something. Being a doctor shouldn't mean anything in this situation, unless he planned his trip so poorly that he didn't give himself any buffer time at all, which is also partly on him. According to 0 witness testimonies did he physically resist. Mainly because he never got the chance to, they said "you have to leave" he said "no" and then they forcefully did so which resulted in his face being smashed against a seat handle and his body being dragged the rest of the way. How would it be his fault at all? That doesn't even make any sense. They boarded the plane, everyone who paid was on and then they said "well guess what, we need 4 seats for our employees so woops. Guess if none of you want to take our lowball offer of money, then we're going to have to "randomly" (1) select some people" (1) Randomly, based on whatever would lose them the least amount of money. Looks like he physically resisted of some sort, and even if he wasn't resisting what did he expect was going to happen when you refuse a security guards' request for you to leave? They're gonna end up forcibly removing you. Ok so United Airlines is being an asshole to you and maybe even a bit more, but if you have a complaint then take it up with them in court and not with their security in person. |
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Post by ?? MrPerson660 ?? on Apr 13, 2017 20:09:25 GMT
He could (and is) sue them either way. In fact, himself and his team of lawyers just initiated the process. And I agree that UA is at fault for creating this circumstance where they have to kick a passenger off the flight, but still the most logical response to a security team asking you to leave is just to leave, and then maybe turn to sue. I'm not sure where you live, but in the United States where this occured there are many provisions many laws, including corporate issues laws such as this, that give the customer rights to stand thier ground, which is exactly what Dr. Dao did here. To you it may seem logical, but it was in his best interest to stand his ground (also thanks to the lawsuit, he'll soon find a nice big chunk of change in his wallet, which is of course a plus for him). What you just don't seem to understand is that this passenger was not able to get off, he had to be on this flight. The fact that your claiming he needed a "buffer zone" shows me you do not have the slightest clue how the corporate/human resources side of the medical industry works. Please, for the sake of all of us, get informed. |
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Post by ???DaddyIndica on Apr 13, 2017 20:09:27 GMT
So judging by some other comments, you guys think one guy getting 'assaulted' and then everyone throws it out of proportion deserves people to stop flying with them and to maybe them go out of business? That seems a bit fucked. I'm sure they fired those who did it, who deserved it for not getting real police. Besides that, this shit shouldn't continue. Ey any excuse to fly Delta instead of United  But in all seriousness, if this was an isolated incident I would have let it go much easier, but we have to remember that they only just recovered from the storm that they caused after they kicked 2 young girls off the plane because they were wearing leggings and that's 'too sexual for them'. But I'm a Delta SkyMiles gold member, so maybe I'm biased lol Oh well, I was blind to the first incident although I'm not a fan of Delta. Lufthansa was probably the best I've ever flown even JetBlue beats it. |
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Post by Atir25 on Apr 13, 2017 20:12:18 GMT
And I agree that UA is at fault for creating this circumstance where they have to kick a passenger off the flight, but still the most logical response to a security team asking you to leave is just to leave, and then maybe turn to sue. I'm not sure where you live, but in the United States where this occured there are many provisions many laws, including corporate issues laws such as this, that give the customer rights to stand thier ground, which is exactly what Dr. Dao did here. To you it may seem logical, but it was in his best interest to stand his ground (also thanks to the lawsuit, he'll soon find a nice big chunk of change in his wallet, which is of course a plus for him). What you just don't seem to understand is that this passenger was not able to get off, he had to be on this flight. The fact that your claiming he needed a "buffer zone" shows me you do not have the slightest clue how the corporate/human resources side of the medical industry works. Please, for the sake of all of us, get informed. Could you cite the aforementioned law? Then explain to me this corporate/human resources side, because I'm pretty sure it's logical to give yourself buffer time just incase a delay happens. |
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Post by aggelosQQ on Apr 13, 2017 20:13:42 GMT
Delta Airlines kicked two guys just for speaking Arabic with their parents on the phone. That was the YouTuber Adam Saleh and his brother, he was kicked off for being an assole to his fellow passengers, he used the Arabic thing as a scapegoat to cause a scene and draw attention to himself, and to claim he was the one being victimized even though he deserved to be kicked off the plane. Not sure why, but doesn't that sound too much? Like, why would a such famous YouTuber with almost 3m subscribers do that? I'm not saying your claim is false, it's just that feeling I have about that. |
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Post by ?? MrPerson660 ?? on Apr 13, 2017 20:15:57 GMT
That was the YouTuber Adam Saleh and his brother, he was kicked off for being an assole to his fellow passengers, he used the Arabic thing as a scapegoat to cause a scene and draw attention to himself, and to claim he was the one being victimized even though he deserved to be kicked off the plane. Not sure why, but doesn't that sound too much? Like, why would a such famous YouTuber with almost 3m subscribers do that? I'm not saying your claim is false, it's just that feeling I have about that. The guy wanted attention, I don't have time to track down the news article right now but almost every witness statement stated that he was being loud, belligerent and and just a general asshole long before he started speaking Arabic on the phone. Adam Saleh is notorious for doing things like this to spark controversy in his favor. |
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Post by CorruptedPolygon on Apr 13, 2017 20:16:32 GMT
That was the YouTuber Adam Saleh and his brother, he was kicked off for being an assole to his fellow passengers, he used the Arabic thing as a scapegoat to cause a scene and draw attention to himself, and to claim he was the one being victimized even though he deserved to be kicked off the plane. Not sure why, but doesn't that sound too much? Like, why would a such famous YouTuber with almost 3m subscribers do that? I'm not saying your claim is false, it's just that feeling I have about that. Attention. A lot of YouTubers are losing attention so they pull shit like this out of their asses in order to get people talking about them again. |
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Post by ?? MrPerson660 ?? on Apr 13, 2017 20:23:28 GMT
I'm not sure where you live, but in the United States where this occured there are many provisions many laws, including corporate issues laws such as this, that give the customer rights to stand thier ground, which is exactly what Dr. Dao did here. To you it may seem logical, but it was in his best interest to stand his ground (also thanks to the lawsuit, he'll soon find a nice big chunk of change in his wallet, which is of course a plus for him). What you just don't seem to understand is that this passenger was not able to get off, he had to be on this flight. The fact that your claiming he needed a "buffer zone" shows me you do not have the slightest clue how the corporate/human resources side of the medical industry works. Please, for the sake of all of us, get informed. Could you cite the aforementioned law? Then explain to me this corporate/human resources side, because I'm pretty sure it's logical to give yourself buffer time just incase a delay happens. Transport.gov, aviation section. His patients can't wait the 4-5 hours to be seen. I have many friends in the medical industry and I know from first hand experience that there is absolutely no room for 'buffer zones' when travelling. Patients requiring treatment aren't going to wait for you to catch the next flight because the idiots at UA fucked up. What if the doctor was recalled due to an emergency or a crisis? What if he was in Chicago on business matters? Though I don't know his exact situation, I do know that him, like almost all other doctors, have very busy and hectic lives and they simply cant plan buffer zones for travel. If you were a patient requiring treatment, would you like to hear 'oh sorry come back in an undetermined amount of time because the doctor was kicked off his flight' instead of 'the doctor will see you now'? In the medical industry, time is the one thing they do NOT have. |
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Post by Atir25 on Apr 13, 2017 20:32:08 GMT
Could you cite the aforementioned law? Then explain to me this corporate/human resources side, because I'm pretty sure it's logical to give yourself buffer time just incase a delay happens. Transport.gov, aviation section. His patients can't wait the 4-5 hours to be seen. I have many friends in the medical industry and I know from first hand experience that there is absolutely no room for 'buffer zones' when travelling. Patients requiring treatment aren't going to wait for you to catch the next flight because the idiots at UA fucked up. What if the doctor was recalled due to an emergency or a crisis? What if he was in Chicago on business matters? Though I don't know his exact situation, I do know that him, like almost all other doctors, have very busy and hectic lives and they simply cant plan buffer zones for travel. If you were a patient requiring treatment, would you like to hear 'oh sorry come back in an undetermined amount of time because the doctor was kicked off his flight' instead of 'the doctor will see you now'? In the medical industry, time is the one thing they do NOT have. Mind directing me to the proper law, there are handbooks upon handbooks on FAA's website. Doctors should be planning as well in case of delays, it's not uncommon for people to get delayed. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 13, 2017 21:27:00 GMT
Didn't know airport police work for the government... That's just not true at all. Oh right a company mistake is his fault now, good job. Company at fault for creating the circumstance, man at fault for his own injuries, could've easily stepped off the plane and filed a lawsuit against United. The man just injured himself right? No he was beat up by PRIVATE security for no rational reason and both parties know it. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Apr 13, 2017 21:30:36 GMT
Transport.gov, aviation section. His patients can't wait the 4-5 hours to be seen. I have many friends in the medical industry and I know from first hand experience that there is absolutely no room for 'buffer zones' when travelling. Patients requiring treatment aren't going to wait for you to catch the next flight because the idiots at UA fucked up. What if the doctor was recalled due to an emergency or a crisis? What if he was in Chicago on business matters? Though I don't know his exact situation, I do know that him, like almost all other doctors, have very busy and hectic lives and they simply cant plan buffer zones for travel. If you were a patient requiring treatment, would you like to hear 'oh sorry come back in an undetermined amount of time because the doctor was kicked off his flight' instead of 'the doctor will see you now'? In the medical industry, time is the one thing they do NOT have. Doctors should be planning as well in case of delays, it's not uncommon for people to get delayed. You have no idea what would've happened after the flight. Maybe he had a patient who was gonna die if he didn't get there as soon as possible. But no we have to beat the shit out of the doctor for no rational reason and kick him out and fuck his patients lives too right? |
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Post by ?? MrPerson660 ?? on Apr 13, 2017 21:51:37 GMT
Transport.gov, aviation section. His patients can't wait the 4-5 hours to be seen. I have many friends in the medical industry and I know from first hand experience that there is absolutely no room for 'buffer zones' when travelling. Patients requiring treatment aren't going to wait for you to catch the next flight because the idiots at UA fucked up. What if the doctor was recalled due to an emergency or a crisis? What if he was in Chicago on business matters? Though I don't know his exact situation, I do know that him, like almost all other doctors, have very busy and hectic lives and they simply cant plan buffer zones for travel. If you were a patient requiring treatment, would you like to hear 'oh sorry come back in an undetermined amount of time because the doctor was kicked off his flight' instead of 'the doctor will see you now'? In the medical industry, time is the one thing they do NOT have. Doctors should be planning as well in case of delays, it's not uncommon for people to get delayed. Did you even read my post? |
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Post by ?? MrPerson660 ?? on Apr 13, 2017 23:51:02 GMT
Turns out that in the attack Dr. Dao sustained major facial structure damage (requiring major reconstructive surgery) and a concussion...
This is going to be one hell of a lawsuit
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