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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 3:20:22 GMT
First off jobs should be earned if you're qualified for it. So if a trans person were to apply and they got the job, it's not harming anyone because they were the most qualified. No one is giving trans people special treatment so no, it not "harmful for the opposite gender to give trans people these rights". That's why it's up to the people to actually not be uncomfortable with trans people because, in the end, we're all human. I don't understand how someone would even be uncomfortable with trans people because again, they're humans, not some kind of other being. Also I didn't lie with those remarks though. Mibbzz deleted them and so far I've been civil so don't call me uncivil. The gender specific jobs I’m talking about wouldn’t matter about effort. Sport, unless they have a magical hormone machine - they are biological males. PE teachers for girls, I’m sure there would be complications with trans people in here. People would be uncomfortable, not because they are human nor because they are trans but because they were not born females. This also leaves out good communication like giving gender advice. Same sex nurses in egg clinics and so on would have the same problem. I’m all for trans rights however in these spots it’s more iffy (I know in the uk they’re keeping their gender specific laws biological). Anyways I need to sleep as it’s 4am PE teachers for girls??? I have had many boy PE teachers and I'm a girl. You're acting like same sex PE teachers are in the locker room all the time. They aren't, they're outside getting ready for the next class. The ignorance lol! The advice one is pure BS because if they were PE teachers they would not be giving me advice. You mainly get advice from people in your inner circle, unless you're talking about them teaching sex ed class? Which has been taught to me by a MALE teacher. And advice never has to be from the same sex, it can literally be from anyone. What is your argument I don't understand these points? And for you first point of the PE teachers, there are men who teach the girls soccer time and women who teach, lets say, the boy soccer team. I do not understand your argument.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 3:23:02 GMT
The gender specific jobs I’m talking about wouldn’t matter about effort. Sport, unless they have a magical hormone machine - they are biological males. PE teachers for girls, I’m sure there would be complications with trans people in here. People would be uncomfortable, not because they are human nor because they are trans but because they were not born females. This also leaves out good communication like giving gender advice. Same sex nurses in egg clinics and so on would have the same problem. I’m all for trans rights however in these spots it’s more iffy (I know in the uk they’re keeping their gender specific laws biological). Anyways I need to sleep as it’s 4am PE teachers for girls??? I have had many boy PE teachers and I'm a girl. You're acting like same sex PE teachers are in the locker room all the time. They aren't, they're outside getting ready for the next class. The ignorance lol! The advice one is pure BS because if they were PE teachers they would not be giving me advice. You mainly get advice from people in your inner circle, unless you're talking about them teaching sex ed class? Which has been taught to me by a MALE teacher. And advice never has to be from the same sex, it can literally be from anyone. What is your argument I don't understand these points? “ The ignorance lol” Whoop there it is That was one example of a job I listed. I’m sure comfortable female to female advice can be performed by everybody
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 3:26:07 GMT
What’s with these straw man arguments? How is it a straw man? You asked, you were told that it's a matter of being an asshole, and then you went on about freedom of speech despite that being totally irrelevant. Normally when a person is an asshole you call them an asshole and move on, not concern troll/obfuscate to defend them by making a moot point. No, I don’t think you read the original post I was quoting. They brought up how some people in the thread was against trans rights (one example given was fleek) and that calling someone by a wrong pronoun was affecting their rights. Why should fleek give up his free speech? Calling somebody by a pronoun he assumes is not the same as calling somebody a derogatory term.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 3:26:28 GMT
PE teachers for girls??? I have had many boy PE teachers and I'm a girl. You're acting like same sex PE teachers are in the locker room all the time. They aren't, they're outside getting ready for the next class. The ignorance lol! The advice one is pure BS because if they were PE teachers they would not be giving me advice. You mainly get advice from people in your inner circle, unless you're talking about them teaching sex ed class? Which has been taught to me by a MALE teacher. And advice never has to be from the same sex, it can literally be from anyone. What is your argument I don't understand these points? “ The ignorance lol” Whoop there it is That was one example of a job I listed. I’m sure comfortable female to female advice can be performed by everybody Is it not ignorance lol? You say you're about trans rights but you're out here defending as to why they shouldn't have the same jobs as "x". Make it make sense my man! You're acting like people go to their PE teachers for advice. You go get advice from people you TRUST and are COMFORTABLE with. If you're getting advice from a trans women or men I'm sure you have some trust and comfort-ability with them. No one goes out and gives unsolicited advice
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 3, 2020 3:28:36 GMT
How is it a straw man? You asked, you were told that it's a matter of being an asshole, and then you went on about freedom of speech despite that being totally irrelevant. Normally when a person is an asshole you call them an asshole and move on, not concern troll/obfuscate to defend them by making a moot point. No, I don’t think you read the original post I was quoting. They brought up how some people in the thread was against trans rights (one example given was fleek) and that calling someone by a wrong pronoun was affecting their rights. Why should fleek give up his free speech? Calling somebody by a pronoun he assumes is not the same as calling somebody a derogatory term. Because it's not impossible to criticize somebody without also wanting their rights taken away? No clue how you think misgendering isn't derogatory.
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Post by ?Robin on Jun 3, 2020 3:30:44 GMT
PE teachers for girls??? I have had many boy PE teachers and I'm a girl. You're acting like same sex PE teachers are in the locker room all the time. They aren't, they're outside getting ready for the next class. The ignorance lol! The advice one is pure BS because if they were PE teachers they would not be giving me advice. You mainly get advice from people in your inner circle, unless you're talking about them teaching sex ed class? Which has been taught to me by a MALE teacher. And advice never has to be from the same sex, it can literally be from anyone. What is your argument I don't understand these points? “ The ignorance lol” Whoop there it is That was one example of a job I listed. I’m sure comfortable female to female advice can be performed by everybody and what if she says that? you're pretty much ignoring the point that you're saying you're a transphobe at this point, my dude. sex ed/sports/pe/whatever shouldn't require a teacher based on your own gender, it never has and it never will. you're learning the same concept, and it pretty much goes that way until you graduate. on top of michelle's point that she got taught by the opposite gender, so have I. sex ed was brought by a female teacher, and most of my PE classes were female-led. did it affect me in any way? nope! so there's the point, if there are more jobs you want to point out that has to be listed by only said gender or that trans people cannot have that job, please tell me! the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) allows anyone to work regardless of sex and gender, with conjunction with the Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 3:32:08 GMT
“ The ignorance lol” Whoop there it is That was one example of a job I listed. I’m sure comfortable female to female advice can be performed by everybody Is it not ignorance lol? You say you're about trans rights but you're out here defending as to why they shouldn't have the same jobs as "x". Make it make sense my man! You're acting like people go to their PE teachers for advice. You go get advice from people you TRUST and are COMFORTABLE with. If you're getting advice from a trans women or men I'm sure you have some trust and comfort-ability with them. No one goes out and gives unsolicited advice I’m for trans rights however, as I recalled previously, would you want biological males in competitive sport or in spots that some women would not be comfortable having a man deal with? People do go to their PE teacher for advice surprisingly and in the UK, teachers are located in changing rooms where -I don’t think you’re getting this - certain people would not be comfortable with having males in. It’s 4:30 and I need to sleep, this conversation has been interesting though.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 3, 2020 3:35:21 GMT
Is it not ignorance lol? You say you're about trans rights but you're out here defending as to why they shouldn't have the same jobs as "x". Make it make sense my man! You're acting like people go to their PE teachers for advice. You go get advice from people you TRUST and are COMFORTABLE with. If you're getting advice from a trans women or men I'm sure you have some trust and comfort-ability with them. No one goes out and gives unsolicited advice I’m for trans rights however, as I recalled previously, would you want biological males in competitive sport or in spots that some women would not be comfortable having a man deal with? People do go to their PE teacher for advice surprisingly and in the UK, teachers are located in changing rooms where -I don’t think you’re getting this - certain people would not be comfortable with having males in. It’s 4:30 and I need to sleep, this conversation has been interesting though. just say you're transphobic and go lol, I really can't see how you're pro trans right and then say "but". There is no "but" when it comes to having the same rights as everyone else.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 3:36:00 GMT
“ The ignorance lol” Whoop there it is That was one example of a job I listed. I’m sure comfortable female to female advice can be performed by everybody and what if she says that? you're pretty much ignoring the point that you're saying you're a transphobe at this point, my dude. sex ed/sports/pe/whatever shouldn't require a teacher based on your own gender, it never has and it never will. you're learning the same concept, and it pretty much goes that way until you graduate. on top of michelle's point that she got taught by the opposite gender, so have I. sex ed was brought by a female teacher, and most of my PE classes were female-led. did it affect me in any way? nope! so there's the point, if there are more jobs you want to point out that has to be listed by only said gender or that trans people cannot have that job, please tell me! the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) allows anyone to work regardless of sex and gender, with conjunction with the Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I actually take offence that you’d call me transphobic when I’m clearly just partaking in conversation, robin. These are all anecdotes that you’re pretending nobody has felt about. Feel free to google the jobs, I listed some previously which you ignored including sport, I need sleep and this is going in circles.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 3:38:19 GMT
No, I don’t think you read the original post I was quoting. They brought up how some people in the thread was against trans rights (one example given was fleek) and that calling someone by a wrong pronoun was affecting their rights. Why should fleek give up his free speech? Calling somebody by a pronoun he assumes is not the same as calling somebody a derogatory term. Because it's not impossible to criticize somebody without also wanting their rights taken away? No clue how you think misgendering isn't derogatory. Where has these people said that they want the rights taken away, then?
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Post by ?Robin on Jun 3, 2020 3:38:50 GMT
and what if she says that? you're pretty much ignoring the point that you're saying you're a transphobe at this point, my dude. sex ed/sports/pe/whatever shouldn't require a teacher based on your own gender, it never has and it never will. you're learning the same concept, and it pretty much goes that way until you graduate. on top of michelle's point that she got taught by the opposite gender, so have I. sex ed was brought by a female teacher, and most of my PE classes were female-led. did it affect me in any way? nope! so there's the point, if there are more jobs you want to point out that has to be listed by only said gender or that trans people cannot have that job, please tell me! the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) allows anyone to work regardless of sex and gender, with conjunction with the Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I actually take offence that you’d call me transphobic when I’m clearly just partaking in conversation, robin. These are all anecdotes that you’re pretending nobody has felt about. Feel free to google the jobs, I listed some previously which you ignored including sport, I need sleep and this is going in circles. I called you one at this point because you're literally going with the exceptions here, too. "but this but that" isn't acceptable in the real world... you can go to sleep but this is essentially not gonna stop for you. I didn't ignore sport if it was already mentioned before, anyway. sport was addressed on SO many times by now.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 3, 2020 3:39:19 GMT
Because it's not impossible to criticize somebody without also wanting their rights taken away? No clue how you think misgendering isn't derogatory. Where has these people said that they want the rights taken away, then? Honestly can't tell what you're saying anymore.
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Post by square on Jun 3, 2020 3:42:02 GMT
Where has these people said that they want the rights taken away, then? Honestly can't tell what you're saying anymore. I was linking back to my original question. It’s actually starting to piss me off that people attack at me personally for trying to bring conversation.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 3, 2020 3:43:34 GMT
Honestly can't tell what you're saying anymore. I was linking back to my original question. It’s actually starting to piss me off that people attack at me personally for trying to bring conversation. Me not having a clue what you're going off about is attacking you personally?
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Post by ?Robin on Jun 3, 2020 3:45:19 GMT
Honestly can't tell what you're saying anymore. I was linking back to my original question. It’s actually starting to piss me off that people attack at me personally for trying to bring conversation. i'm pretty sure OP did it to provoke a spark, which would probably lead to why him yeeted out. here's my thing: maybe don't post something controversial/bad take during within pride month, it's really that easy. if you didn't expect at least ONE attack from someone within this month, then you really should have. the lgbtq+ community has tried to hard to make our shit justified where everyone can do whatever the hell they want just like straight people, but there are some people (not you, i have seen worse) who constantly keep trying to shoot it down, which thus this month pretty much exists, aside from Stonewall and others
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