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Post by monkeh on Jul 19, 2020 0:42:01 GMT
object per reasons above
I think the majority is clear here - clear enough for a verdict to be made, stopping this thread from descending into 500 pages of chaos
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 0:45:35 GMT
object per reasons above I think the majority is clear here - clear enough for a verdict to be made, stopping this thread from descending into 500 pages of chaos Why? A discussion is clearly merited regardless
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Post by monkeh on Jul 19, 2020 0:52:08 GMT
object per reasons above I think the majority is clear here - clear enough for a verdict to be made, stopping this thread from descending into 500 pages of chaos Why? A discussion is clearly merited regardless there are already 6,7 pages of this thread filled with unproductive "discussion" and i don't think continuing that is worth anything. this is a ban appeal, in which the majority have voted against Wilee returning unfortunately, even if you disagree with that majority, the final verdict is still going to be made
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 0:53:39 GMT
Why? A discussion is clearly merited regardless there are already 6,7 pages of this thread filled with unproductive "discussion" and i don't think continuing that is worth anything. this is a ban appeal, in which the majority have voted against Wilee returning unfortunately, even if you disagree with that majority, the final verdict is still going to be made You say unproductive, I say the opposite. This is a ban appeal in which Wilee is appealing his ban on the basis that he finds it illegitimate, and people are still vouching for this viewpoint. According to your logic Wilee should've stayed banned the countless other times he was wrongfully banned by Seth, because that was the "final verdict".
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Post by monkeh on Jul 19, 2020 1:06:26 GMT
there are already 6,7 pages of this thread filled with unproductive "discussion" and i don't think continuing that is worth anything. this is a ban appeal, in which the majority have voted against Wilee returning unfortunately, even if you disagree with that majority, the final verdict is still going to be made You say unproductive, I say the opposite. This is a ban appeal in which Wilee is appealing his ban on the basis that he finds it illegitimate, and people are still vouching for this viewpoint. According to your logic Wilee should've stayed banned the countless other times he was wrongfully banned by Seth, because that was the "final verdict". "This is a ban appeal in which Wilee is appealing his ban" Now this is very true! I agree with this! Anyways, you mention the countless other times Wilee was banned. Those bans were appealed, and he has been unbanned accordingly. I fully agree that one should not stay banned for a false reason and therefore I agree with wilee being unbanned those times. However, in this situation, many others and I do not believe that he was banned under an illegitimate reason. Therefore, we object. There is no point of continuing this thread when the verdict is this clear, when the majority of the community has voted against him returning. More, you say that this discussion has been productive. How? What are the positive outcomes that this discussion has generated?
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Post by Darth on Jul 19, 2020 1:24:41 GMT
You say unproductive, I say the opposite. This is a ban appeal in which Wilee is appealing his ban on the basis that he finds it illegitimate, and people are still vouching for this viewpoint. According to your logic Wilee should've stayed banned the countless other times he was wrongfully banned by Seth, because that was the "final verdict". More, you say that this discussion has been productive. How? What are the positive outcomes that this discussion has generated? It shows that some people in the community are willing to try and weasel their way around rules in order to prevent themselves from having to take any actual responsibility.
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 1:28:59 GMT
You say unproductive, I say the opposite. This is a ban appeal in which Wilee is appealing his ban on the basis that he finds it illegitimate, and people are still vouching for this viewpoint. According to your logic Wilee should've stayed banned the countless other times he was wrongfully banned by Seth, because that was the "final verdict". "This is a ban appeal in which Wilee is appealing his ban" Now this is very true! I agree with this! Anyways, you mention the countless other times Wilee was banned. Those bans were appealed, and he has been unbanned accordingly. I fully agree that one should not stay banned for a false reason and therefore I agree with wilee being unbanned those times. However, in this situation, many others and I do not believe that he was banned under an illegitimate reason. Therefore, we object. There is no point of continuing this thread when the verdict is this clear, when the majority of the community has voted against him returning. More, you say that this discussion has been productive. How? What are the positive outcomes that this discussion has generated? False. Wilee was ONLY unbanned because of several threads accusing Seth of abuse. If you close this thread I am well within my right to reopen a new one. More, you say that this discussion has been productive. How? What are the positive outcomes that this discussion has generated? It shows that some people in the community are willing to try and weasel their way around rules in order to prevent themselves from having to take any actual responsibility. Wilee is unable to see this thread, same goes for Video. That would mean your comment is directed at people other than those two: are you saying I am not taking responsibility for the actions of Wilee?
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Post by monkeh on Jul 19, 2020 1:52:23 GMT
False. Wilee was ONLY unbanned because of several threads accusing Seth of abuse. If you close this thread I am well within my right to reopen a new one. Look, no one is stopping you from making threads contesting this verdict. However, by the looks of this thread, it does not seem like many will support you. You've also not answered my question: what productive outcome has this discussion led to? Wilee is unable to see this thread, same goes for Video. That would mean your comment is directed at people other than those two: are you saying I am not taking responsibility for the actions of Wilee? What was the point of this reply? Darth was clearly commenting on Wilee. Stop trying to stir shit up when you can clearly tell who the comment was directed towards. Anyways, I see no point of engaging in this thread anymore. It's a permban appeal. The majority is against. That says enough.
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 1:56:04 GMT
False. Wilee was ONLY unbanned because of several threads accusing Seth of abuse. If you close this thread I am well within my right to reopen a new one. Look, no one is stopping you from making threads contesting this verdict. However, by the looks of this thread, it does not seem like many will support you. You've also not answered my question: what productive outcome has this discussion led to? Wilee is unable to see this thread, same goes for Video. That would mean your comment is directed at people other than those two: are you saying I am not taking responsibility for the actions of Wilee? What was the point of this reply? Darth was clearly commenting on Wilee. Stop trying to stir shit up when you can clearly tell who the comment was directed towards. Anyways, I see no point of engaging in this thread anymore. It's a permban appeal. The majority is against. That says enough. The thread has lead us to the conclusion that it's matter of whether Discord rules should've overlapped with the conduct policy or not. Did you read my reply to Darth properly? His comment was in relation to the thread "showing" that people will weasel their way out. Wilee is nowhere to be seen on this thread. Stop strawmanning.
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Post by Darth on Jul 19, 2020 2:14:07 GMT
"This is a ban appeal in which Wilee is appealing his ban" Now this is very true! I agree with this! Anyways, you mention the countless other times Wilee was banned. Those bans were appealed, and he has been unbanned accordingly. I fully agree that one should not stay banned for a false reason and therefore I agree with wilee being unbanned those times. However, in this situation, many others and I do not believe that he was banned under an illegitimate reason. Therefore, we object. There is no point of continuing this thread when the verdict is this clear, when the majority of the community has voted against him returning. More, you say that this discussion has been productive. How? What are the positive outcomes that this discussion has generated? False. Wilee was ONLY unbanned because of several threads accusing Seth of abuse. If you close this thread I am well within my right to reopen a new one. It shows that some people in the community are willing to try and weasel their way around rules in order to prevent themselves from having to take any actual responsibility. Wilee is unable to see this thread, same goes for Video. That would mean your comment is directed at people other than those two: are you saying I am not taking responsibility for the actions of Wilee? Wilee wrote several paragraphs on why he thinks he didn't do anything wrong when it's quite clear to most of the voters on this thread that he did. Then, a handful of people are attempting to back up his claims that he did nothing wrong (on a technical level). Whether or not Wilee can see this is irrelevant, given that his own words (the original appeal he wrote himself) sparked a whole discussion on why he did/didn't break the rules. And for the Nth time, Video apologized for his actions and admitted his wrongdoing. Wilee did not. That is the difference.
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Post by Michelle on Jul 19, 2020 2:26:08 GMT
Object luv ??
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 19, 2020 12:38:54 GMT
You're overreaching in your power... It's really as simple as that. This had not occurred on any of our platforms, it therefore is not subject to our rules. I don't understand why that's so hard to grasp...? First of all I didn't do anything. Secondly, the rule states that any doxing is subject to our rules. Of course they're not going to publish their dox onto one of or platforms, don't be ridiculous. Wilee and Video did break the rules. Punishing people who break our rules is not an overreach of power. If you want this to change, suggest that the rules be changed. Sorry, by 'You' I meant you and everyone else who is arguing this is an acceptable outcome. You cannot enforce a rule for a TF platform in a non TF Environment, they are not bound by our rules when they choose to do stuff in their own time, it's as simple as that. Neither party broke the rules, and technically speaking, there was no Dox that occurred when you look at the definition of a dox. We've seen no information either of those were broken here, and even if they were, for the last time. It did not happen on a TF Platform and therefore is nothing to do with this server. Even if you did decide you want a piece of the pie, it contradicts Seth's own statement that he is no longer banning people from multiple platforms. You cannot expect to selectively enforce rules because you don't like the person who's being sanctioned today, and do like someone else that broke the rule tomorrow.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 19, 2020 12:39:44 GMT
Until he's willing to own up to his actions like Video. I don't have to change that stance and you shouldn't even try to change it. Given he didn't break our rules I can't see him giving you an apology.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 19, 2020 12:40:54 GMT
More, you say that this discussion has been productive. How? What are the positive outcomes that this discussion has generated? It shows that some people in the community are willing to try and weasel their way around rules in order to prevent themselves from having to take any actual responsibility. It's only "Weasel"ing out of the rules if you broke the rules in the first place, which he has said and proven wasn't the case by our own rules, and the rules are contradicted. The sanction was not proportional to the offence that occurred and is in direct violation of the forum posting guidelines.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 19, 2020 12:42:19 GMT
Look, no one is stopping you from making threads contesting this verdict. However, by the looks of this thread, it does not seem like many will support you. You've also not answered my question: what productive outcome has this discussion led to? The fact this has gone on now for 12 pages shows there clearly is something fucked up... It's not as simple as a ban appeal because there is evidence to say it was an inappropriate action that was taken against him in the first place. Wilee wrote several paragraphs on why he thinks he didn't do anything wrong when it's quite clear to most of the voters on this thread that he did. Then, a handful of people are attempting to back up his claims that he did nothing wrong (on a technical level). Whether or not Wilee can see this is irrelevant, given that his own words (the original appeal he wrote himself) sparked a whole discussion on why he did/didn't break the rules. And for the Nth time, Video apologized for his actions and admitted his wrongdoing. Wilee did not. That is the difference. Again, why would he apologies for not breaking our rules?
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