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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 30, 2020 18:21:38 GMT
1) the reason why your original thread thing was locked was because it was not needed, as we were not going to go into offline mode, we had chosen not to go into online mode because otherwise, it would conflict with the SMP server which we plan to bungee to the main server, also offline mode was always much more of a hassle to manage and also would decrease our ability to advertise the server as most server list won't let a cracked server onto the list, there are exceptions, but still I think the reason a lot of people chose to bungee the SMP is mutually exclusive with going offlinemode, and I would imagine if a poll was worded "Bungee SMP or go offlinemode" it would be a far more accurate view. The understanding was both would be possible, or we would move SMP to offlinemode as well which I still think is the only valid option if it wants to be official with TF. 2) this thread did not need to be created, it seems as if you keep making threads in response to your own threads being locked, your thread was locked. Seth said that he isn't doing it, as he is the lead dev, and the owner, he is in charge of what gets added to the server and what does not, so if he says that he doesn't want to do it there is no need for you to make these threads. honestly, I think that making a thread to dispute your original thread being locked without adding anything super meaningful or new to it should be against the forum rules, but it is not. Thing is, we've all had this discussion a number of times, last time only recently with the ownership policy. You can't pick and choose when you want to be democratic or not. This is either democratic, or this is a dictatorship, nothing in between. If threads are getting locked and people feel they were locked before their time then it's fully within the rules and guidelines to then post a follow up thread, often that's how things get done. This thread is absolutely valid, and has highlighted that clearly the community are not generally happy, and that something needs to be done to sort it.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 30, 2020 18:24:21 GMT
Not sure what that's got to do with anything? Over the last 2 or 3 years most the developers on here have unfortunately proven that statement correct. The Factions plugin will not work with offline mode. I'm not sure about AdvancedBans but LuckPerms does provide some offline mode compatibility. Then we should re-evaluate SMP as I've said before and in that quote. If we can't make it offlinemode then we need to look at if SMP should remain official, or bungee'd or what. There needs to be a wider thought here beyond that of 'Well SMP doesn't work so fuck the freedom server' So you're going to say I don't know how it works, claim you know better than me, and then invalidate your claim by saying have a lawyer explain it to you? What? My point was that you oversimplified the EULA when in reality it's a legal document, and unless you're a lawyer I wouldn't be making interpretations of that blindly... Has bitten a lot of servers and cost a lot of people a lot of money... Remember this is Microsoft running Minecraft now not Mojang, and Microsoft will throw money at the smallest shit if they think it'll make them a bit of cash.
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Post by SupItsDillon on Jun 30, 2020 18:28:46 GMT
What I don't really get is why seth said we would trial it, to then out of nowhere, not even announce properly on the forums, but make as a passing comment on one of the threads that it wasn't going to happen.
IMO, the SMP server shouldn't be bungeed anyway, simply letting people use the IP to connect is good enough. When SMP goes down, you get a spam of people joining the main server, and the fact that you have to join the main server in the first place, to then join smp is annoying to others, esp. if you're an admin, as it looks like you join and leave instantly. Just my two cents and its obvious that it isnt gonna get changed.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 30, 2020 18:29:35 GMT
Not sure what that's got to do with anything? Over the last 2 or 3 years most the developers on here have unfortunately proven that statement correct. seth is a one man developer (now with super) on TF. SMP has much more developers... plus i'm the one who cares about over optimizing things and keeping stuff up to date... not really fair to invalidate everything based on TF's history. Then we should re-evaluate SMP as I've said before and in that quote. If we can't make it offlinemode then we need to look at if SMP should remain official, or bungee'd or what. There needs to be a wider thought here beyond that of 'Well SMP doesn't work so fuck the freedom server' seth said it would remain official while going into online mode. not sure what needs reevaluating?? seth said that is what will happen (to your EULA thing which proboards wont let me quote) i didn't make it blindly. that's what i remember the EULA being especially when mojang said they would be cracking down on the EULA.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 30, 2020 18:32:58 GMT
seth is a one man developer (now with super) on TF. SMP has much more developers... plus i'm the one who cares about over optimizing things and keeping stuff up to date... not really fair to invalidate everything based on TF's history. But that to me proves me wider point more. SMP and TF are clearly separate servers, and we're just linking them because admins like them both... It would make far more sense to have one unified development team working on TF and SMP if we're going to call them "One Server" as it were. seth said it would remain official while going into online mode. not sure what needs reevaluating?? seth said that is what will happen If SMP can't support onlinemode=false, and / or can't be bungee'd, then I'd suggest we as a community should be calling out that it can't remain official... That's my point here, if we can't make it work with the direction of TF, we should move it to being an associated / affiliated server and not part of TF. That's my view. i didn't make it blindly. that's what i remember the EULA being especially when mojang said they would be cracking down on the EULA. I'm not a lawyer, I know it's changed since Mojang wrote it, I'm just saying from what I understand of it (Which isn't a lot as I've said), it's quite a bit more complex than how you've worded it, and that was my word to the warning.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 30, 2020 18:37:01 GMT
But that to me proves me wider point more. SMP and TF are clearly separate servers, and we're just linking them because admins like them both... It would make far more sense to have one unified development team working on TF and SMP if we're going to call them "One Server" as it were. there are different developers who work on Windows and Office, but they work together to create a cohesive product. not sure where you're coming from, there are different people who work on different things as part of an overall experience. If SMP can't support onlinemode=false, and / or can't be bungee'd, then I'd suggest we as a community should be calling out that it can't remain official... That's my point here, if we can't make it work with the direction of TF, we should move it to being an associated / affiliated server and not part of TF. That's my view. then make a suggestion. it was seths call to do it, and ultimately he's the one who has the power (to the EULA thing which proboards still wont let me quote) i'm not a lawyer. if someone is gonna go off of what i said for legal advice, then they deserve to be bitten out by microsoft for relying on solely just me for information.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 30, 2020 18:39:35 GMT
there are different developers who work on Windows and Office, but they work together to create a cohesive product. not sure where you're coming from, there are different people who work on different things as part of an overall experience. As someone who works in software teams for massive corporations, while true the minimum a team should generally be is about 5, anything less and it's not efficient. For a project as small as this it does not make sense to split development efforts. Again, that's sort of not been my point on this at all, my point was that a lot of the time people call something impossible because they lack the effort or imagination to actually solve the problem, I'm not saying that's the case with who we currently have, it was a historic observation. then make a suggestion. it was seths call to do it, and ultimately he's the one who has the power That is sort of the point of this thread. The suggestion is to move TF to offline mode like we've asked, if SMP can't go with it then a different discussion should be spawned, but until we get to the point where it causes a problem or is going to I don't see why we should muddy the waters...
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 30, 2020 19:47:04 GMT
ok fine I thought someone else would do this for me so I posted some more blatant to the point responses Is your idea of a blatant to the point response "too bad"? 1) the reason why your original thread thing was locked was because it was not needed, as we were not going to go into offline mode, we had chosen not to go into online mode because otherwise, it would conflict with the SMP server which we plan to bungee to the main server, also offline mode was always much more of a hassle to manage and also would decrease our ability to advertise the server as most server list won't let a cracked server onto the list, there are exceptions, but still Who is "we"? Where was this public discussion and vote on bungeeing the SMP server and whether we were going to compromise offline mode in order to do so? It was a unilateral internal decision, I at least had a suggestion with a good consensus to enable cracked mode with a change to how we ban people to protect innocent players. Always possible to bypass many of those server lists if you put a little effort in while keeping Mojang's authentication off... 2) this thread did not need to be created, it seems as if you keep making threads in response to your own threads being locked, your thread was locked. Seth said that he isn't doing it, as he is the lead dev, and the owner, he is in charge of what gets added to the server and what does not, so if he says that he doesn't want to do it there is no need for you to make these threads. honestly, I think that making a thread to dispute your original thread being locked without adding anything super meaningful or new to it should be against the forum rules, but it is not. Yes, because I think that it is an important issue, and last I checked it isn't against the forum rules to create a response sharing my opinion, unless we are now abolishing the free speech aspect of this community as well. Last I checked Seth also confirmed the notion that this is a democratic community under his ownership, with him reinstating the ownership policy and the entire debacle that created. Are we now backtracking on that yet again for the 7th time and yielding to unilateral authority? Good to know that you think I should be banned from the forums for sharing an opinion though, I at least don't think that you should be banned off the forums for breaking the forum guidelines related to shitty personal attacks and shitposting, but hey that's just me.
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Post by mibbzz on Jun 30, 2020 21:33:16 GMT
What I don't really get is why seth said we would trial it, to then out of nowhere, not even announce properly on the forums, but make as a passing comment on one of the threads that it wasn't going to happen. IMO, the SMP server shouldn't be bungeed anyway, simply letting people use the IP to connect is good enough. When SMP goes down, you get a spam of people joining the main server, and the fact that you have to join the main server in the first place, to then join smp is annoying to others, esp. if you're an admin, as it looks like you join and leave instantly. Just my two cents and its obvious that it isnt gonna get changed. A benefit of the server's being in offline, with a /register /login thing, is that you can allow people to directly connect to the backend servers (so freedom, or SMP). Backend servers are always cracked, they just don't allow direct connection (anymore lol) because then you could simply portscan an IP and join as the admin. When talking about an entirely cracked server though, you can simply change that setting and allow direct connection to individual servers with the port provided.
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Post by fleshy_ on Jul 1, 2020 0:15:38 GMT
Yes, because I think that it is an important issue Sad
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 1, 2020 7:17:27 GMT
Yes, because I think that it is an important issue Sad Honestly, how did some of you get accepted to the rank you are in now? "Sad," "too bad," "you are an ugly clown," and a threat to get me banned off the forums are the responses I'm getting from multiple admins representative of the community simply because I find an issue related to this server important as somebody who has been here since 2011. If you don't care about the server or don't find any of the server's issues brought up by a member of the community important, then why are you here? Submit a resignation as Wild said instead of making yourself look like a jackass on the public forum, it makes the community look like cunts and also violates multiple forum guidelines, although those are obviously not enforced anymore despite having numerous forum moderators.
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