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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 30, 2020 4:33:22 GMT
1) key word suggest as of right now, there are no perks, and while seth might consider adding some cosmetic perks, we are going to follow the eula 2) i cant read 3) they where 4) i couldn't think of a forth thing so i just put that, fine ill put a better copy pasta: You want forum ban? I can make this happen! They were? Then why was the suggestion with 3/4 community support abruptly denied and deemed redundant? because it was redundant
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 30, 2020 4:34:43 GMT
Also, what is against the Minecraft EULA is servers that have a "pay to win" model. Not offering perks like login messages or player particles.
If a PvP server were to offer a kit that could only be obtained by paying $10, and it was ridiculously OP, then that would be against the EULA. However, if they were paying for something like particles that follow them while they PvP, that is not against the EULA.
TF has no such pay to win model, so we are not violating the EULA.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 30, 2020 4:36:49 GMT
They were? Then why was the suggestion with 3/4 community support abruptly denied and deemed redundant? because it was redundant Except it wasn't. How do I know? Because I was the person who created the suggestion and I did not create it on a condition of "unless some people internally decide that we should actually not do cracked."
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 30, 2020 4:46:04 GMT
Except it wasn't. How do I know? Because I was the person who created the suggestion and I did not create it on a condition of "unless some people internally decide that we should actually not do cracked." too bad
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Post by Michelle on Jun 30, 2020 4:56:26 GMT
Except it wasn't. How do I know? Because I was the person who created the suggestion and I did not create it on a condition of "unless some people internally decide that we should actually not do cracked. too bad
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Post by Michelle on Jun 30, 2020 4:57:11 GMT
Honestly from what I’ve seen Wilee hasn’t even broken any forum rules and has been remaining very civil despite being called an ugly clown lmfao. For you to say this was not even necessary, you’re getting heated over nothing.
That being said, I think the online mode would be beneficial and I think it should stay like that.
pro boards mobile is so weird to quote on. lol ^
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Post by zeseryu on Jun 30, 2020 5:09:05 GMT
Except it wasn't. How do I know? Because I was the person who created the suggestion and I did not create it on a condition of "unless some people internally decide that we should actually not do cracked." too bad Grow up. Formulate valid arguments or don't post at all. No need for this completely disrespectful playground response.
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Post by mibbzz on Jun 30, 2020 16:17:50 GMT
How do you think servers operate in offline mode? Add a login plugin to the SMP server, done. This is a solution that's well over 10 years old, why we're acting like it's not possible is hilariously stupid. Make. Both. Of. The. Servers. Cracked.
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Post by mibbzz on Jun 30, 2020 16:18:40 GMT
You want forum ban? I can make this happen! Kindly fuck off and don't be making baseless threats against other people
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 30, 2020 16:27:05 GMT
How do you think servers operate in offline mode? Add a login plugin to the SMP server, done. This is a solution that's well over 10 years old, why we're acting like it's not possible is hilariously stupid. Make. Both. Of. The. Servers. Cracked. that would fuck with our most important plugin on SMP, factions. and don't tell me we can use factionsuuid because I already went that road and it does not work for smp
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 30, 2020 18:05:55 GMT
wow there goes hive, hypixel, mineplex and any other server that does donations. so misinformed. NGL, patronizing people does not become you... Had sorta hoped that running a server this long would have taught you that much. 2) the poll was 52.38% in favor of keeping offline mode offThat poll just from reading it here sounds confusing as fuck, polls that are worded like that tend to be confusing anyway. Especially when the term is 'Onlinemode' not 'Offlinemode' Ahh yes, that's a great argument. Good work. And the data loss and all the problems that comes with it are not going worth it. 1) Why are we experiencing data loss at all? We certainly shouldn't be 2) The entire point of TF is that structures and data is temporary... We should not be scared to wipe things... I feel you might have taken my point there out of context, certainly wouldn't be the first time someone did that. I suspect this boiled down to my wider point of why not just run SMP in onlinemode=false... You can run the entire bungee at that point in 'Offlinemode' and causes none of these issues of trying to do what you want to do. My view has always been that TF should be in onlimemode=false and it should go back to being something we enable by exception only for short stints when we're facing high volumes of attacks. No, but you implied that we were lazy and incompetent for not having an instant solution to something that is not possible in the first place. Unfortunately history has told me that statement is usually true more often than not... You want forum ban? I can make this happen! Ahh yes, threats. They always make these things work better.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 30, 2020 18:08:46 GMT
Also, what is against the Minecraft EULA is servers that have a "pay to win" model. Not offering perks like login messages or player particles. If a PvP server were to offer a kit that could only be obtained by paying $10, and it was ridiculously OP, then that would be against the EULA. However, if they were paying for something like particles that follow them while they PvP, that is not against the EULA. TF has no such pay to win model, so we are not violating the EULA. That's not quite how the EULA works, it's a fair bit more complex than that and as I've said before, unless you've got a decent lawyer I'd not fuck with it. Public opinion of you is currently falling through the floor. I'd suggest growing the fuck up and fast. Alternatively you can post your resignation and get it over with. that would fuck with our most important plugin on SMP, factions. and don't tell me we can use factionsuuid because I already went that road and it does not work for smp Again, kinda not our problem... SMP has remained this really weird concept that both is and is not official... If you can't make it fit with the core values of TF (One of which is that it's been cracked) then maybe we should separate it out and run it as an associated server... Would make a hell of a lot more sense to me at this point.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 30, 2020 18:10:24 GMT
As a general comment as has been observed. Some of the content in this thread is absolutely unacceptable, and I seriously hope people remember that we're not in spam and drama or all having a bit of friendly banter, there's a lot of blatant abuse being thrown around here. If you can't cope with having a civil discussion, maybe being an admin is the wrong thing for you, it's certainly showing a few people should not have made it to the rank they are.
If you can't have the civil discussion about the topic we're discussing here, kindly find somewhere else to be a cunt.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 30, 2020 18:15:47 GMT
ok fine I thought someone else would do this for me so I posted some more blatant to the point responses, but I guess you guys didn't understand where I was coming from so let me explain. 1) the reason why your original thread thing was locked was because it was not needed, as we were not going to go into offline mode, we had chosen not to go into online mode because otherwise, it would conflict with the SMP server which we plan to bungee to the main server, also offline mode was always much more of a hassle to manage and also would decrease our ability to advertise the server as most server list won't let a cracked server onto the list, there are exceptions, but still 2) this thread did not need to be created, it seems as if you keep making threads in response to your own threads being locked, your thread was locked. Seth said that he isn't doing it, as he is the lead dev, and the owner, he is in charge of what gets added to the server and what does not, so if he says that he doesn't want to do it there is no need for you to make these threads. honestly, I think that making a thread to dispute your original thread being locked without adding anything super meaningful or new to it should be against the forum rules, but it is not.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 30, 2020 18:19:05 GMT
Unfortunately history has told me that statement is usually true more often than not... not a developer on TF... I feel you might have taken my point there out of context, certainly wouldn't be the first time someone did that. I suspect this boiled down to my wider point of why not just run SMP in onlinemode=false... You can run the entire bungee at that point in 'Offlinemode' and causes none of these issues of trying to do what you want to do. My view has always been that TF should be in onlimemode=false and it should go back to being something we enable by exception only for short stints when we're facing high volumes of attacks. The Factions plugin will not work with offline mode. I'm not sure about AdvancedBans but LuckPerms does provide some offline mode compatibility. That's not quite how the EULA works, it's a fair bit more complex than that and as I've said before, unless you've got a decent lawyer I'd not fuck with it. So you're going to say I don't know how it works, claim you know better than me, and then invalidate your claim by saying have a lawyer explain it to you? What?
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