97
Veteran Member
RIP Telnet
Posts: 889
| Likes: 679
|
Post by 97 on Jun 12, 2020 23:04:58 GMT
I think people are literally overthinking this too much..
Anyways I vouch for it to be telnets and above.
|
|
|
|
Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 12, 2020 23:09:14 GMT
In both cases, it's one rank having access to something that only a different rank should have access to. That's entirely your opinion and is in no way a justification for you to make them seem the same. Also, promoting admins to a rank =/= adding them to saconfig which is what you tried to say earlier... Why should you have the ability to add anyone you want to be a master builder or super admin? |
|
elmon
Veteran Member
Asst. Server Liaison
fionn sucks
Posts: 1,476
| Likes: 1,842
|
Post by elmon on Jun 12, 2020 23:10:43 GMT
That's entirely your opinion and is in no way a justification for you to make them seem the same. Also, promoting admins to a rank =/= adding them to saconfig which is what you tried to say earlier... Why should you have the ability to add anyone you want to be a master builder or super admin? I already do, you have failed to give me a reason why I should be stripped of that ability that isn't you giving your opinion and dressing it as a fact. |
|
|
|
Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 12, 2020 23:14:07 GMT
Why should you have the ability to add anyone you want to be a master builder or super admin? I already do, you have failed to give me a reason why I should be stripped of that ability that isn't you giving your opinion and dressing it as a fact. Because you are not the Executive Admin Officer and do not have the authority to promote players to super admins, so you shouldn't have the executive ability to do so. |
|
elmon
Veteran Member
Asst. Server Liaison
fionn sucks
Posts: 1,476
| Likes: 1,842
|
Post by elmon on Jun 12, 2020 23:19:30 GMT
I already do, you have failed to give me a reason why I should be stripped of that ability that isn't you giving your opinion and dressing it as a fact. Because you are not the Executive Admin Officer and do not have the authority to promote players to super admins, so you shouldn't have the executive ability to do so. I do not have the permission to promote anyone, I have the permission to add people to the in-game admin list, and am only allowed to do it when the executive admin officer has accepted their application. And clearly, the poll suggests that people disagree with you, so I think I made my point. I will not respond further. |
|
XenVoltz
Veteran Member
Posts: 2,461
| Likes: 1,488
|
Post by XenVoltz on Jun 13, 2020 0:27:19 GMT
If telnets+ are able to add people to the admin list, then I see no reason as to why they can’t add someone to the master builder list as well.
|
|
Feueristic
Full Member
C'est la vie
Posts: 133
| Likes: 207
|
Post by Feueristic on Jun 13, 2020 7:09:19 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, Telnets having access to add people to the admin list is a relic of the era when we needed verification in offline mode.
This is because whenever name/IP-changes were to happen, the admin would get stripped of their rights if not holding an Impersonating rank that freezes them unable to do anything.
If going forward we are just going to keep using online mode for the server, we should be able to get away with using UUIDs and IPs as identification - no Telnet/Senior intervention should be required.
This part of my suggestion is the same as Polaris'. Telnets does not have a reason to have the ability to access the admin list.
From what I heard though, seniors can suspend admins on-the-go, so access to the list will be required.
That, of course, is all only if we decide that the server will stay in online-only. If we are indeed going back to offline, Telnet having access to add people would be highly beneficial if not necessary.
I hope I'm not just pulling shit out of my ass and this is a closer depiction of reality. Do let me know if this is incorrect information.
That said, I do notice a consistency in that we can't add people to MB/Admin list while the target is offline. Why is that?
If this could get fixed, it is totally possible to just give the MB list editing to only executives (or asst. execs).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 9:22:47 GMT
Because the Master Builder world is protected from admins, admins may only re-add mbs if they are marked as an imposter. It doesn't make sense to me to allow admins the ability to bypass these restrictions at all, even though we can just punish them for it. Only the AO and I can do that right now. That's just my opinion.
|
|
miwo
Veteran Member
Posts: 597
| Likes: 585
|
Post by miwo on Jun 13, 2020 10:08:23 GMT
Cant all this just be solved if I were to get pinged on Discord? The reason I havent added the newest MB is due to me not having access to my desktop.
This seems more like a case of me getting my shit together rather than having to extend permissions to more Admins? Im not comfortable with the idea of giving more than 2-5 people access to who/who doesnt get to modify the MB world.
|
|
elmon
Veteran Member
Asst. Server Liaison
fionn sucks
Posts: 1,476
| Likes: 1,842
|
Post by elmon on Jun 13, 2020 10:15:20 GMT
Cant all this just be solved if I were to get pinged on Discord? The reason I havent added the newest MB is due to me not having access to my desktop. This seems more like a case of me getting my shit together rather than having to extend permissions to more Admins? Im not comfortable with the idea of giving more than 2-5 people access to who/who doesnt get to modify the MB world. I see the argument against giving mbconfig to all admins that don't actually have access to the world themselves, but wouldn't it make sense to at least give it to Telnets+ who are already masterbuilders? |
|
StevenNL2000
Forum Admin 
Posts: 6,415
| Likes: 6,936
IGN: StevenNL2000
Timezone: UTC+01:00
Member is Staff. Need immediate assistance? Send a PM
|
Post by StevenNL2000 on Jun 13, 2020 10:45:21 GMT
A database isn't something which is only accessible when a person is online, as it already is it's possible to do it since it's a database, and you can make it even easier through an optimization which would take less than 2 minutes to add which would allow you to do it for offline players. That said, I do notice a consistency in that we can't add people to MB/Admin list while the target is offline. Why is that? The reason it has always been this way is that the current system does not support admin or master builder entries with no trusted IPs, which would be the case if you were to add someone for the first time while they aren't online. Fixing this would already alleviate the biggest reason this thread was created, which is that Miwo is not available 24/7 to wait for new master builders to join the game. |
|
Wild1145
Forum Admin
Inactive Player & Inactive Senior Admin
Posts: 10,414
| Likes: 9,680
Member is Staff. Need immediate assistance? Send a PM
|
Post by Wild1145 on Jun 13, 2020 12:22:56 GMT
Only the Executive Creative Designer should have that... literally all of these poll options are unnecessary and counter intuitive. ^ This... To have other people doing it literally defeats the point of the executive designer... |
|
elmon
Veteran Member
Asst. Server Liaison
fionn sucks
Posts: 1,476
| Likes: 1,842
|
Post by elmon on Jun 13, 2020 13:04:36 GMT
Only the Executive Creative Designer should have that... literally all of these poll options are unnecessary and counter intuitive. ^ This... To have other people doing it literally defeats the point of the executive designer... How? |
|
Taze
Veteran Member
On vacation/holidays till August 11th
Posts: 315
| Likes: 233
|
Post by Taze on Jun 13, 2020 13:25:07 GMT
Only the Executive Creative Designer should have that... literally all of these poll options are unnecessary and counter intuitive. ^ This... To have other people doing it literally defeats the point of the executive designer... What? The point of the executive designer is leading projects and I guess as well approving applications. Adding people to the list in-game isn’t the point of him. We allow Telnets and up to be able to add people to the admin list, which then have access to Adminworld and all other stuff (banning admins). Masterbuilders is a way smaller thing, they have access to a world which if they’d grief, we can roll it back in seconds. Except for that they get a title in-game, as well as that we can’t even add them when they’re offline. Adding people to the admin list can cause way more problems than to the MB list, why I don’t see why we can’t trust telnets and up with this. |
|
miwo
Veteran Member
Posts: 597
| Likes: 585
|
Post by miwo on Jun 13, 2020 14:19:58 GMT
Cant all this just be solved if I were to get pinged on Discord? The reason I havent added the newest MB is due to me not having access to my desktop. This seems more like a case of me getting my shit together rather than having to extend permissions to more Admins? Im not comfortable with the idea of giving more than 2-5 people access to who/who doesnt get to modify the MB world. I see the argument against giving mbconfig to all admins that don't actually have access to the world themselves, but wouldn't it make sense to at least give it to Telnets+ who are already masterbuilders? If they are MBs already, perhaps. I am just being cautious due to the history of griefs in AW / MBW by Admins |
|
- March 2nd 2018 - July 22nd 2019
- July 22nd 2019 - Present