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Post by Video on May 22, 2020 6:22:43 GMT
i hate this server
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mibbzz
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Post by mibbzz on May 22, 2020 6:23:00 GMT
Correct, which is why I'm saying that it's ridiculous for you to not want to improve past that and actually listen to community feedback (if you recall, when you applied to become the owner that was one of your stated goals) just because of what previous owners have done. Dude 95% of the time I listen to community feedback even if I don't agree with it sometimes, but when that 5% of the time when I absolutely refuse to do it I see shit like an 8 page thread of people reeing for weeks. The reeeeeing on that thread is mostly autistic adhoms against Wilee. Seth, I like you, your biggest issue as owner has always, and still is, your ego. I'm just being blunt, the original policy was removed because of your ego and you don't want it back because of your ego. Nobody (that isn't stupid) is trying to remove you, and of that small group I've heard talk about, there's no real backing behind them. The community still likes, and wants, you as owner. It's stuff like this which leaves a sour taste in people's mouths though. There is no issue here, the only issue is one created by removing a policy approved by the community BEFORE, you were owner, and which literally made you owner. We both know what all went down during the transition phase, and we both know that if there wasn't this policy made that ownership may have fallen to someone else. The point here, is that this isn't about you. It isn't about trying to remove you, and it will likely never even be used. It's about the possibility of it being there in case we enter another stage such as when Windows disappeared and when it's total mayhem, and it can be used to guide through that. I've seen nothing else that even comes close to the original policy in this regard.
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Post by mibbzz on May 22, 2020 6:25:34 GMT
Half of the size of that thread is because of Wize, otherwise most of it is people in agreement (as 72% of the people on the poll voted, that's nearly a 3/4 majority). I suggested to you a compromise which was to make a thread with the original policy and allow people to suggest amendments to it to improve it rather than scrapping it, and I still don't see how that's such a horrible idea. Because I like it how it is right now and do not want to change it. Removing an active only is an utter joke. As I keep saying windows was removed because he was unresponsive for months. There's some things bigger than you mate, and until you realize that there's going to continue to be issues like this. This isn't, has never been, and likely will never be, about you. The only reason this would be a thing is literally about you being gone, and in that event it won't mean a flying fuck if you "like it how it is right now". You're the owner of the server, so set aside yourself and focus on the server itself.
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on May 22, 2020 6:28:11 GMT
This is pretty much exactly how i foresaw this thread going. This is literally the definition of drama and is completely unnecessary as nothing is going to change
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 6:32:10 GMT
Dude 95% of the time I listen to community feedback even if I don't agree with it sometimes, but when that 5% of the time when I absolutely refuse to do it I see shit like an 8 page thread of people reeing for weeks. The reeeeeing on that thread is mostly autistic adhoms against Wilee. Seth, I like you, your biggest issue as owner has always, and still is, your ego. I'm just being blunt, the original policy was removed because of your ego and you don't want it back because of your ego. Nobody (that isn't stupid) is trying to remove you, and of that small group I've heard talk about, there's no real backing behind them. The community still likes, and wants, you as owner. It's stuff like this which leaves a sour taste in people's mouths though. There is no issue here, the only issue is one created by removing a policy approved by the community BEFORE, you were owner, and which literally made you owner. We both know what all went down during the transition phase, and we both know that if there wasn't this policy made that ownership may have fallen to someone else. The point here, is that this isn't about you. It isn't about trying to remove you, and it will likely never even be used. It's about the possibility of it being there in case we enter another stage such as when Windows disappeared and when it's total mayhem, and it can be used to guide through that. I've seen nothing else that even comes close to the original policy in this regard. I'm not even gonna read the rest after seeing you blame this on my ego. Because I look at things as if I'm a new player who just got here. The policy did its job. If windows were to come back and ask for ownership within the first 2 months of me getting ownership I would of gave it back to him. But he's never voiced to me how we feels about anything. At this point after being this servers owner for a year it wouldn't make any sense to give it back now. and it also wouldn't make sense to have an active owner removeable at all, regardless if it was me or not. I understand that people aren't trying to remove me, it's just that me any many people not voicing their support for me on the forums agree that removing an active owner is a joke.
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Post by Video on May 22, 2020 6:39:03 GMT
This is pretty much exactly how i foresaw this thread going. This is literally the definition of drama and is completely unnecessary as nothing is going to change this server in a nutshell
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Post by miwo on May 22, 2020 9:12:50 GMT
Okay? 70% of the community disagreeing with you sure has you quite upset. He seems to have a habit of getting angry over debates on a MineCraft forum
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Post by miwo on May 22, 2020 9:14:14 GMT
Buddy, I literally posted numerous threads in 2019 to try to get Seth put into power as the one supported by the community, it isn't hard to do a basic level of research to actually read through some thread history. Your conclusion that I'm going to hold a vote to remove Seth from power with the executives with a hidden motive is actually the most preposterous thing that I have ever read on these forums. If what you're saying is correct it would mean that right now I'm working with Finest, Miwo, and zeseryu to get Seth removed from power as the executives, which is such a level of mental retardation that I can't even believe that you think it to be true. Zeseryu moved this thread to spam and drama before any posts were put onto it. Finest has been silent. Miwo is in adamant support of this document. Nothing is telling me you aren't working with them. Cow took surveys asking people if they'd approve of him being owner. On a side note, you listed a very specific group of people... Interesting... Come to think of it, why does the creative designer have anything to do with server policy? I have never once called for the removal of Seth as owner. I also approved of Seth becoming owner in the survey.
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Post by miwo on May 22, 2020 9:15:29 GMT
I can ask the same to you, clearly you have no clue of the origins of the ownership policy or any of the context behind it given all of the arguments you have made, but here I am not trying to hijack this thread. But hey, let's just break the forum rules and ruin discussion when it's clear that we've failed in the realms of discourse! *enters polaris panic mode* Yes precisely magnificent spectacular divert attention yes magnificent now answer my question lol * 8th attempt * Why have you, for the past 3 years and counting, actively refused to play this server that you apparently care so much about?Hey, since you continue to hijack the thread I may as well ask this of you Can you post the transaction statements from when you spent the $600 you claimed here? K thank you
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miwo
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Post by miwo on May 22, 2020 9:19:58 GMT
Despite the fact that you are literally in your position because of a public election? It's pretty concerning when the only argument against the ownership policy I'm seeing is coming from a guy who genuinely believes that there's some behind the scenes grand conspiracy involving me and our executives to remove you from power. yeah I can believe that but it's not going to happen. If I want to change the ownership policy or any policy for that matter I can do it if I wish to. I'm not obligated to listen to the community every single move I make, no one ever did this to this extent with Mark or windows. If I were to quote markbyron here I can guarantee you that he would not be in support of this statement.
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Luke
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Post by Luke on May 22, 2020 9:54:24 GMT
the fuck?
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Devnithz
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Post by Devnithz on May 22, 2020 9:55:20 GMT
I mean I understand that players want ''fair administration'' and I guess the server has kind of catered toward this by establishing internal affairs etc.. but whoever pays for the servers deserves to dictate how its ran. And unless people are willing to pay and chip in to making this server a 'democracy' it does not make sense.
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Post by miwo on May 22, 2020 9:58:17 GMT
I mean I understand that players want ''fair administration'' and I guess the server has kind of catered toward this by establishing internal affairs etc.. but whoever pays for the servers deserves to dictate how its ran. And unless people are willing to pay and chip in to making this server a 'democracy' it does not make sense. Nobody is arguing for the server to be run entirely democratic.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 22, 2020 10:34:25 GMT
It's funny, because every time historically I've made the argument that this server isn't a democracy (Including on the ownership policy that this thread clearly is span off of) was rejected stating that that is how the community want this server to be ran.
At the end of the day, this all boils down to the fact that the community held a vote, majority agreed to re-instate a policy that had been removed without consultation (Which is pretty reckless in the first place) and are now holding Seth and the Executives to account over that not happening.
I am the first to admit I don't agree with everything Seth has done, and have called him out on that. That doesn't mean I think there is a large enough majority to vote him off as owner, or even to instigate that part of the policy. Generally people seem to like what Seth has done here, and that's a pretty tough job.
A lot of people who are making these arguments have been around for a very long time and I like to think we all want the best for this server. I can't really explain why I'm still around, god knows I've had a mountain of abuse from a lot of people over the years, and the fact I can't dedicate a reliable amount of time anymore was why I stood down as a senior admin and developer on here. It does allow me to still give my thoughts when I Think it's relevant to do so, it doesn't mean I'm always right, I know my opinion often goes against that of the rest of the community, but we're all here trying to do what we believe is best for this server...
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mibbzz
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Post by mibbzz on May 22, 2020 13:42:10 GMT
The reeeeeing on that thread is mostly autistic adhoms against Wilee. Seth, I like you, your biggest issue as owner has always, and still is, your ego. I'm just being blunt, the original policy was removed because of your ego and you don't want it back because of your ego. Nobody (that isn't stupid) is trying to remove you, and of that small group I've heard talk about, there's no real backing behind them. The community still likes, and wants, you as owner. It's stuff like this which leaves a sour taste in people's mouths though. There is no issue here, the only issue is one created by removing a policy approved by the community BEFORE, you were owner, and which literally made you owner. We both know what all went down during the transition phase, and we both know that if there wasn't this policy made that ownership may have fallen to someone else. The point here, is that this isn't about you. It isn't about trying to remove you, and it will likely never even be used. It's about the possibility of it being there in case we enter another stage such as when Windows disappeared and when it's total mayhem, and it can be used to guide through that. I've seen nothing else that even comes close to the original policy in this regard. I'm not even gonna read the rest after seeing you blame this on my ego. Because I look at things as if I'm a new player who just got here. The policy did its job. If windows were to come back and ask for ownership within the first 2 months of me getting ownership I would of gave it back to him. But he's never voiced to me how we feels about anything. At this point after being this servers owner for a year it wouldn't make any sense to give it back now. and it also wouldn't make sense to have an active owner removeable at all, regardless if it was me or not. I understand that people aren't trying to remove me, it's just that me any many people not voicing their support for me on the forums agree that removing an active owner is a joke. Calling it as I, and others, see it. Your ego has been a big factor in the past, and I've seen well a good chunk of people independently mention it during conversations on this topic. If you realize this isn't about removing you, what's your opposition to such a policy being in place in the event it's needed. All I'm saying is you have continually taken a topic that isn't about you, and spoken about your personal opposition for it on grounds of your own removal. Also these mystery people should speak up, because right now it's pretty decisively one sided against your own opinion.
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