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Post by mibbzz on May 22, 2020 5:53:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 5:54:30 GMT
I put it in General Discussion for a reason...  This doesnt imply at all that you actually want to have a discussion about it. You're simply stating your opinion with no effort to reconcile the other side. Thats incredibly arrogant and almost always leads to drama. nothing in the policy said we were. and we aren't. I thought I made it clear in suggestion threads, guess I need it in 500 point bold red font, because people aren't understanding: total freedom is not a democracy |
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Post by mibbzz on May 22, 2020 5:56:25 GMT
This doesnt imply at all that you actually want to have a discussion about it. You're simply stating your opinion with no effort to reconcile the other side. Thats incredibly arrogant and almost always leads to drama. nothing in the policy said we were. and we aren't. I thought I made it clear in suggestion threads, guess I need it in 500 point bold red font, because people aren't understanding: total freedom is not a democracyNobodies arguing it is, but maybe I need to put this in bold point red front TOTAL FREEDOM IS A COMMUNITY WHERE STAFF AND PLAYER VOICES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VALUED IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESSThat's what this is about |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 5:57:06 GMT
This doesnt imply at all that you actually want to have a discussion about it. You're simply stating your opinion with no effort to reconcile the other side. Thats incredibly arrogant and almost always leads to drama. nothing in the policy said we were. and we aren't. I thought I made it clear in suggestion threads, guess I need it in 500 point bold red font, because people aren't understanding: total freedom is not a democracyDespite the fact that you are literally in your position because of a public election? It's pretty concerning when the only argument against the ownership policy I'm seeing is coming from a guy who genuinely believes that there's some behind the scenes grand conspiracy involving me and our executives to remove you from power. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 6:01:22 GMT
nothing in the policy said we were. and we aren't. I thought I made it clear in suggestion threads, guess I need it in 500 point bold red font, because people aren't understanding: total freedom is not a democracyDespite the fact that you are literally in your position because of a public election? It's pretty concerning when the only argument against the ownership policy I'm seeing is coming from a guy who genuinely believes that there's some behind the scenes grand conspiracy involving me and our executives to remove you from power. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 6:01:26 GMT
nothing in the policy said we were. and we aren't. I thought I made it clear in suggestion threads, guess I need it in 500 point bold red font, because people aren't understanding: total freedom is not a democracyDespite the fact that you are literally in your position because of a public election? It's pretty concerning when the only argument against the ownership policy I'm seeing is coming from a guy who genuinely believes that there's some behind the scenes grand conspiracy involving me and our executives to remove you from power. yeah I can believe that but it's not going to happen. If I want to change the ownership policy or any policy for that matter I can do it if I wish to. I'm not obligated to listen to the community every single move I make, no one ever did this to this extent with Mark or windows. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 6:03:37 GMT
Despite the fact that you are literally in your position because of a public election? It's pretty concerning when the only argument against the ownership policy I'm seeing is coming from a guy who genuinely believes that there's some behind the scenes grand conspiracy involving me and our executives to remove you from power. yeah I can believe that but it's not going to happen. If I want to change the ownership policy or any policy for that matter I can do it if I wish to. I'm not obligated to listen to the community every single move I make, no one ever did this to this extent with Mark or windows. Mark and Windows always listened to community feedback, although they were both heavily criticized for their actual actions (or lack thereof in Windows's case I guess) in response to suggestions and not sure why you feel obligated to face that same criticism when all it achieves is people rightfully angry at you. 72% of people opposed your policy, I offered a compromise, it was ignored. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 6:04:29 GMT
Despite the fact that you are literally in your position because of a public election? It's pretty concerning when the only argument against the ownership policy I'm seeing is coming from a guy who genuinely believes that there's some behind the scenes grand conspiracy involving me and our executives to remove you from power. Thanks for editing your post to raise the font size, wouldn't been able to read it otherwise because I'm blind. When have all of the executives banded together to coup the owner behind closed doors again? |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 6:05:09 GMT
I don't know why you paint this idea to be so ludicrous and far fetched. It's not like it hasn't happened before or anything.... Thanks for editing your post to raise the font size, wouldn't been able to read it otherwise because I'm blind. When have all of the executives banded together to coup the owner behind closed doors again? *cough* LightUK *cough* And who said anything about the executives? That's something you added to this, not me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 6:06:06 GMT
yeah I can believe that but it's not going to happen. If I want to change the ownership policy or any policy for that matter I can do it if I wish to. I'm not obligated to listen to the community every single move I make, no one ever did this to this extent with Mark or windows. Mark and Windows always listened to community feedback, although they were both heavily criticized for their actual actions (or lack thereof in Windows's case I guess) in response to suggestions and not sure why you feel obligated to face that same criticism when all it achieves is people rightfully angry at you. 72% of people opposed your policy, I offered a compromise, it was ignored. Locking threads and suspending people for critism marking it as "drama" doesn't sound like always listening to community feedback to me. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 6:08:35 GMT
Thanks for editing your post to raise the font size, wouldn't been able to read it otherwise because I'm blind. When have all of the executives banded together to coup the owner behind closed doors again? *cough* LightUK *cough* And who said anything about the executives? That's something you added to this, not me. What the actual fuck are you talking about now? The ownership policy requires like an unanimous amount of executives to remove the owner and that's only if something severe happened, I doubt Finest is going to want to remove the owner for no valid reason (and that would obviously go for the rest of executives). I don't think LightUK is an executive. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 6:09:25 GMT
Mark and Windows always listened to community feedback, although they were both heavily criticized for their actual actions (or lack thereof in Windows's case I guess) in response to suggestions and not sure why you feel obligated to face that same criticism when all it achieves is people rightfully angry at you. 72% of people opposed your policy, I offered a compromise, it was ignored. Locking threads and suspending people for critism marking it as "drama" doesn't sound like always listening to community feedback to me. Correct, which is why I'm saying that it's ridiculous for you to not want to improve past that and actually listen to community feedback (if you recall, when you applied to become the owner that was one of your stated goals) just because of what previous owners have done. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 6:11:02 GMT
Locking threads and suspending people for critism marking it as "drama" doesn't sound like always listening to community feedback to me. Correct, which is why I'm saying that it's ridiculous for you to not want to improve past that and actually listen to community feedback (if you recall, when you applied to become the owner that was one of your stated goals) just because of what previous owners have done. Dude 95% of the time I listen to community feedback even if I don't agree with it sometimes, but when that 5% of the time when I absolutely refuse to do it I see shit like an 8 page thread of people reeing for weeks. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 6:16:18 GMT
Correct, which is why I'm saying that it's ridiculous for you to not want to improve past that and actually listen to community feedback (if you recall, when you applied to become the owner that was one of your stated goals) just because of what previous owners have done. Dude 95% of the time I listen to community feedback even if I don't agree with it sometimes, but when that 5% of the time when I absolutely refuse to do it I see shit like an 8 page thread of people reeing for weeks. Half of the size of that thread is because of Wize, otherwise most of it is people in agreement (as 72% of the people on the poll voted, that's nearly a 3/4 majority). I suggested to you a compromise which was to make a thread with the original policy and allow people to suggest amendments to it to improve it rather than scrapping it, and I still don't see how that's such a horrible idea. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 6:20:04 GMT
Dude 95% of the time I listen to community feedback even if I don't agree with it sometimes, but when that 5% of the time when I absolutely refuse to do it I see shit like an 8 page thread of people reeing for weeks. Half of the size of that thread is because of Wize, otherwise most of it is people in agreement (as 72% of the people on the poll voted, that's nearly a 3/4 majority). I suggested to you a compromise which was to make a thread with the original policy and allow people to suggest amendments to it to improve it rather than scrapping it, and I still don't see how that's such a horrible idea. Because I like it how it is right now and do not want to change it. Removing an active only is an utter joke. As I keep saying windows was removed because he was unresponsive for months. |
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