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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 4:28:26 GMT
This server wasn't created as a democracy, and just because we switched owners twice, doesn't somehow make it a democracy.
Thank you and goodnight.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 4:47:53 GMT
Okay? 70% of the community disagreeing with you sure has you quite upset.
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Post by Zaid on May 22, 2020 5:26:33 GMT
Your last few posts have devolved from having any actual argument into a Twitter-esque "Sorry, you're cancelled" attitude. Honestly, most of them seem like you want to imitate Willee's writing style while lacking any backing for what you're arguing for. I don't want to bother replying to the initial Ownership policy thread because it is clear that's it just been thrown under the rug with statement such as yours and Seth's which almost need deciphering. For starters, I thought that Seth was fine with the idea of restoring the original policy if: I'll tell you what, if what I think whats going to happen doesn't happen in the time I'm not going to disclose, I'll put it back, but amended to include some other details. But until then I am not putting it back. We haven't had an update on this incredibly vague statement and the timespan of "the time I'm not going to disclose." How long is that exactly? Weeks, months? Secondly, I honestly can't keep up with your argument. From what I can formulate, you're accusing Willee of basically wanting to get rid of Seth using the old policy. Then you turn around and say that he hasn't been on the server in years. Don't you think that a person who wants to plan a coup would be even slightly more active? Suggesting that the reason Willee is pushing for an ownership policy is so he can immediately get rid of Seth is ludicrous. The policy was up for months before it was deleted and not a single person tried utilizing it to remove Seth. This is simply because the policy itself makes it so that an almost unanimous decision by the Execs is needed for that to occur. Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that your big conspiracy did actually exist and Willee is just waiting for the policy to be posted so he can start the process of removing Seth. Do you really believe that he would somehow convince every Exec other than you to vouch on Seth's removal? Plain and simple, that policy was not thrown together like the one Seth posted was. It was clear, as detailed as it needed to be, and, most importantly, community approved. I haven't seen anyone disprove the actual arguments posted in the ownership thread that had its posts deleted. Let's say that, tomorrow, something happened to Seth and all of the people that had his sister's contact info reached out to her claiming to have been elected the new owner. Unless she came to the forum and sorted through the inevitable dumpster fire that would occur, she would have no idea who to actually believe. What if we actually did elect an owner, but the people who know Seth's sister refuse to give the new owner her contact info? These are not unlikely situations. We've seen the types of drama that occur on this server and this isn't something that is a doomsday, extremely unexpected scenario. It's literally happened before with a different owner, under different circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 5:31:07 GMT
Your last few posts have devolved from having any actual argument into a Twitter-esque "Sorry, you're cancelled" attitude. Honestly, most of them seem like you want to imitate Willee's writing style while lacking any backing for what you're arguing for. I don't want to bother replying to the initial Ownership policy thread because it is clear that's it just been thrown under the rug with statement such as yours and Seth's which almost need deciphering. For starters, I thought that Seth was fine with the idea of restoring the original policy if: I'll tell you what, if what I think whats going to happen doesn't happen in the time I'm not going to disclose, I'll put it back, but amended to include some other details. But until then I am not putting it back. We haven't had an update on this incredibly vague statement and the timespan of "the time I'm not going to disclose." How long is that exactly? Weeks, months? Secondly, I honestly can't keep up with your argument. From what I can formulate, you're accusing Willee of basically wanting to get rid of Seth using the old policy. Then you turn around and say that he hasn't been on the server in years. Don't you think that a person who wants to plan a coup would be even slightly more active? Suggesting that the reason Willee is pushing for an ownership policy is so he can immediately get rid of Seth is ludicrous. The policy was up for months before it was deleted and not a single person tried utilizing it to remove Seth. This is simply because the policy itself makes it so that an almost unanimous decision by the Execs is needed for that to occur. Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that your big conspiracy did actually exist and Willee is just waiting for the policy to be posted so he can start the process of removing Seth. Do you really believe that he would somehow convince every Exec other than you to vouch on Seth's removal? Plain and simple, that policy was not thrown together like the one Seth posted was. It was clear, as detailed as it needed to be, and, most importantly, community approved. I haven't seen anyone disprove the actual arguments posted in the ownership thread that had its posts deleted. Let's say that, tomorrow, something happened to Seth and all of the people that had his sister's contact info reached out to her claiming to have been elected the new owner. Unless she came to the forum and sorted through the inevitable dumpster fire that would occur, she would have no idea who to actually believe. What if we actually did elect an owner, but the people who know Seth's sister refuse to give the new owner her contact info? These are not unlikely situations. We've seen the types of drama that occur on this server and this isn't something that is a doomsday, extremely unexpected scenario. It's literally happened before with a different owner, under different circumstances. Here's my concise argument: Wilee and friends have an alternate agenda from what they appear to be posting as an innocent doc to increase the longevity and safety of TF. We have reason to believe that in reality, as soon as this document passes, they will hold a vote to remove Seth from power. Wilee being uber interested in the sanctity and longevity of TF, while simultaneously refusing to play the server for 3 years straight, doesn't make any sense to me. Clearly he possesses an ulterior motive...And to make matters even more interesting, every time I ask Wilee this simple harmless question straight up, he quickly refuses to answer it and changes the subject. If that doesn't scream ulterior motive to you, then I don't know what does. Lastly, the "creators" of the doc can have this efficiently written and well thought-out document posted and put into place in a nanosecond. All they have to do is to remove the 2 lines that allow them to vote Seth out of power. They refuse to do so.Look, I understand my arguments have been heated, but don't you see? Don't you see all this? As someone who spends his days, day in and day out, maintaining and growing the continued prosperity of this server, I feel as though my entire world is under attack. Red alarm bells and sirens are going off, and few non-staff members see it. This is no time to act proper and all professional when the bill-payer and sole reason this server is still alive is facing a group of 70% of the community that wants to enact a document that allows him to be removed at their command.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 5:38:09 GMT
Your last few posts have devolved from having any actual argument into a Twitter-esque "Sorry, you're cancelled" attitude. Honestly, most of them seem like you want to imitate Willee's writing style while lacking any backing for what you're arguing for. I don't want to bother replying to the initial Ownership policy thread because it is clear that's it just been thrown under the rug with statement such as yours and Seth's which almost need deciphering. For starters, I thought that Seth was fine with the idea of restoring the original policy if: We haven't had an update on this incredibly vague statement and the timespan of "the time I'm not going to disclose." How long is that exactly? Weeks, months? Secondly, I honestly can't keep up with your argument. From what I can formulate, you're accusing Willee of basically wanting to get rid of Seth using the old policy. Then you turn around and say that he hasn't been on the server in years. Don't you think that a person who wants to plan a coup would be even slightly more active? Suggesting that the reason Willee is pushing for an ownership policy is so he can immediately get rid of Seth is ludicrous. The policy was up for months before it was deleted and not a single person tried utilizing it to remove Seth. This is simply because the policy itself makes it so that an almost unanimous decision by the Execs is needed for that to occur. Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that your big conspiracy did actually exist and Willee is just waiting for the policy to be posted so he can start the process of removing Seth. Do you really believe that he would somehow convince every Exec other than you to vouch on Seth's removal? Plain and simple, that policy was not thrown together like the one Seth posted was. It was clear, as detailed as it needed to be, and, most importantly, community approved. I haven't seen anyone disprove the actual arguments posted in the ownership thread that had its posts deleted. Let's say that, tomorrow, something happened to Seth and all of the people that had his sister's contact info reached out to her claiming to have been elected the new owner. Unless she came to the forum and sorted through the inevitable dumpster fire that would occur, she would have no idea who to actually believe. What if we actually did elect an owner, but the people who know Seth's sister refuse to give the new owner her contact info? These are not unlikely situations. We've seen the types of drama that occur on this server and this isn't something that is a doomsday, extremely unexpected scenario. It's literally happened before with a different owner, under different circumstances. Here's my concise argument: Wilee and friends have an alternate agenda from what they appear to be posting as an innocent doc to increase the longevity and safety of TF. We have reason to believe that in reality, as soon as this document passes, they will hold a vote to remove Seth from power. Wilee being uber interested in the sanctity and longevity of TF, while simultaneously refusing to play the server for 3 years straight, doesn't make any sense to me. Clearly he possesses an ulterior motive... Buddy, I literally posted numerous threads in 2019 to try to get Seth put into power as the one supported by the community, it isn't hard to do a basic level of research to actually read through some thread history. Your conclusion that I'm going to hold a vote to remove Seth from power with the executives with a hidden motive is actually the most preposterous thing that I have ever read on these forums. If what you're saying is correct it would mean that right now I'm working with Finest, Miwo, and zeseryu to get Seth removed from power as the executives, which is such a level of mental retardation that I can't even believe that you think it to be true.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 5:39:14 GMT
Here's my concise argument: Wilee and friends have an alternate agenda from what they appear to be posting as an innocent doc to increase the longevity and safety of TF. We have reason to believe that in reality, as soon as this document passes, they will hold a vote to remove Seth from power. Wilee being uber interested in the sanctity and longevity of TF, while simultaneously refusing to play the server for 3 years straight, doesn't make any sense to me. Clearly he possesses an ulterior motive... Buddy, I literally posted numerous threads in 2019 to try to get Seth put into power as the one supported by the community, it isn't hard to do a basic level of research to actually read through some thread history. Your conclusion that I'm going to hold a vote to remove Seth from power with the executives with a hidden motive is actually the most preposterous thing that I have ever read on these forums. If what you're saying is correct it would mean that right now I'm working with Finest, Miwo, and zeseryu to get Seth removed from power as the executives, which is such a level of mental retardation that I can't even believe that you think it to be true. Zeseryu moved this thread to spam and drama before any posts were put onto it. Finest has been silent. Miwo is in adamant support of this document. Nothing is telling me you aren't working with them. Cow took surveys asking people if they'd approve of him being owner. On a side note, you listed a very specific group of people... Interesting... Come to think of it, why does the creative designer have anything to do with server policy?
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Post by Zaid on May 22, 2020 5:40:20 GMT
Your last few posts have devolved from having any actual argument into a Twitter-esque "Sorry, you're cancelled" attitude. Honestly, most of them seem like you want to imitate Willee's writing style while lacking any backing for what you're arguing for. I don't want to bother replying to the initial Ownership policy thread because it is clear that's it just been thrown under the rug with statement such as yours and Seth's which almost need deciphering. For starters, I thought that Seth was fine with the idea of restoring the original policy if: We haven't had an update on this incredibly vague statement and the timespan of "the time I'm not going to disclose." How long is that exactly? Weeks, months? Secondly, I honestly can't keep up with your argument. From what I can formulate, you're accusing Willee of basically wanting to get rid of Seth using the old policy. Then you turn around and say that he hasn't been on the server in years. Don't you think that a person who wants to plan a coup would be even slightly more active? Suggesting that the reason Willee is pushing for an ownership policy is so he can immediately get rid of Seth is ludicrous. The policy was up for months before it was deleted and not a single person tried utilizing it to remove Seth. This is simply because the policy itself makes it so that an almost unanimous decision by the Execs is needed for that to occur. Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that your big conspiracy did actually exist and Willee is just waiting for the policy to be posted so he can start the process of removing Seth. Do you really believe that he would somehow convince every Exec other than you to vouch on Seth's removal? Plain and simple, that policy was not thrown together like the one Seth posted was. It was clear, as detailed as it needed to be, and, most importantly, community approved. I haven't seen anyone disprove the actual arguments posted in the ownership thread that had its posts deleted. Let's say that, tomorrow, something happened to Seth and all of the people that had his sister's contact info reached out to her claiming to have been elected the new owner. Unless she came to the forum and sorted through the inevitable dumpster fire that would occur, she would have no idea who to actually believe. What if we actually did elect an owner, but the people who know Seth's sister refuse to give the new owner her contact info? These are not unlikely situations. We've seen the types of drama that occur on this server and this isn't something that is a doomsday, extremely unexpected scenario. It's literally happened before with a different owner, under different circumstances. Here's my concise argument: Wilee and friends have an alternate agenda from what they appear to be posting as an innocent doc to increase the longevity and safety of TF. We have reason to believe that in reality, as soon as this document passes, they will hold a vote to remove Seth from power. Wilee being uber interested in the sanctity and longevity of TF, while simultaneously refusing to play the server for 3 years straight, doesn't make any sense to me. Clearly he possesses an ulterior motive... Who is "Willee and friends"? From what I've seen, most people, including myself, may agree with Willee on something while completely disagree on others. I don't seem sort of group that exclusively backs every one of Willee's posts about the ownership policy. Like I said, Willee had a window of multiple months (about 7 I believe) to do what you claim. Why didn't he post a vote earlier last year? Again, even if Willee did exactly what you claim in the current time, you do realize that the policy requires extreme measures to remove Seth, most of which I am 99% aren't possible (like the unanimous exec decision and the community vote). As for Willee's play time on the server, I don't see how that is relevant here. If he didn't play OR post on the forum for an extended period of the time then suddenly started posting just about the policy then I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. But Willee's been consistently posting on the forum for years now. His criticism isn't exclusive to Seth either. He's criticized almost every exec and policy, which shows that he has a genuine want to improve (in his opinion) all aspects of the sever, not just the ownership policy.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 5:42:05 GMT
Here's my concise argument: Wilee and friends have an alternate agenda from what they appear to be posting as an innocent doc to increase the longevity and safety of TF. We have reason to believe that in reality, as soon as this document passes, they will hold a vote to remove Seth from power. Wilee being uber interested in the sanctity and longevity of TF, while simultaneously refusing to play the server for 3 years straight, doesn't make any sense to me. Clearly he possesses an ulterior motive... As for Willee's play time on the server, I don't see how that is relevant here. If he didn't play OR post on the forum for an extended period of the time then suddenly started posting just about the policy then I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. But Willee's been consistently posting on the forum for years now. His criticism isn't exclusive to Seth either. He's criticized almost every exec and policy, which shows that he has a genuine want to improve (in his opinion) all aspects of the sever, not just the ownership policy. Precisely. Why is he so into server policy on a server he actively refuses to play? I just don't understand it. I really don't. This, combined with the fact that he refuses to answer this question continually, dancing and changing the subject whenever he can. It seems really super fishy to me. That's all. I respect the guys dedication, but man is this suspicious.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 5:42:57 GMT
Buddy, I literally posted numerous threads in 2019 to try to get Seth put into power as the one supported by the community, it isn't hard to do a basic level of research to actually read through some thread history. Your conclusion that I'm going to hold a vote to remove Seth from power with the executives with a hidden motive is actually the most preposterous thing that I have ever read on these forums. If what you're saying is correct it would mean that right now I'm working with Finest, Miwo, and zeseryu to get Seth removed from power as the executives, which is such a level of mental retardation that I can't even believe that you think it to be true. Zeseryu moved this thread to spam and drama before any posts were put onto it. Finest has been silent. Miwo is in adamant support of this document. Nothing is telling me you aren't working with them. Cow took surveys asking people if they'd approve of him being owner. On a side note, you listed a very specific group of people... Interesting... Come to think of it, why does the creative designer have anything to do with server policy? You're right man. Zeseryu, Finest, and Miwo are all in on it with me. I think StevenNL2000 is in on it too! We're all working together to remove Seth from power, I can't believe you caught us red-handed! This must be why Obama took all the guns and put everyone in FEMA camps, the Taliban is coming for us!!!!
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Post by zeseryu on May 22, 2020 5:44:37 GMT
Buddy, I literally posted numerous threads in 2019 to try to get Seth put into power as the one supported by the community, it isn't hard to do a basic level of research to actually read through some thread history. Your conclusion that I'm going to hold a vote to remove Seth from power with the executives with a hidden motive is actually the most preposterous thing that I have ever read on these forums. If what you're saying is correct it would mean that right now I'm working with Finest, Miwo, and zeseryu to get Seth removed from power as the executives, which is such a level of mental retardation that I can't even believe that you think it to be true. Zeseryu moved this thread to spam and drama before any posts were put onto it. If you want to have a discussion about it then i will move it back. You saying "This is a fact because the founder and Seth said it" doesnt imply that at all. I personally do not care at all what ownership policy we have lmao.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 5:45:15 GMT
Zeseryu moved this thread to spam and drama before any posts were put onto it. Finest has been silent. Miwo is in adamant support of this document. Nothing is telling me you aren't working with them. Cow took surveys asking people if they'd approve of him being owner. On a side note, you listed a very specific group of people... Interesting... Come to think of it, why does the creative designer have anything to do with server policy? You're right man. Zeseryu, Finest, and Miwo are all in on it with me. I think StevenNL2000 is in on it too! We're all working together to remove Seth from power. Oh, so now StevenNL2000 is involved? Nooo not you Steven :cry: But tell me more.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 5:45:43 GMT
Zeseryu moved this thread to spam and drama before any posts were put onto it. Finest has been silent. Miwo is in adamant support of this document. Nothing is telling me you aren't working with them. Cow took surveys asking people if they'd approve of him being owner. On a side note, you listed a very specific group of people... Interesting... Come to think of it, why does the creative designer have anything to do with server policy? If you want to have a discussion about it then i will move it back. You saying "This is a fact because the founder and Seth said it" doesnt imply that at all. I put it in General Discussion for a reason... Also Wilee, for the ~9th time~, would you please at least acknowledge this question, at the very least. If you don't feel comfortable answering it, just say that. QUESTION: Why have you, for the past 3 years and counting, actively refused to play this server that you apparently care so much about?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 22, 2020 5:47:55 GMT
You're right man. Zeseryu, Finest, and Miwo are all in on it with me. I think StevenNL2000 is in on it too! We're all working together to remove Seth from power. Oh, so now StevenNL2000 is involved? Nooo not you Steven :cry: But tell me more. Mark and Windows are also involved because they secretly want owner back, and then I think Dick Cheney was actually the framer of the ownership policy (it wasn't mibbzz and Hockey that was just for show) and then the Bush Administration got us into Iraq so that Congress would want to remove Seth from power.
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Post by zeseryu on May 22, 2020 5:48:38 GMT
If you want to have a discussion about it then i will move it back. You saying "This is a fact because the founder and Seth said it" doesnt imply that at all. I put it in General Discussion for a reason... This doesnt imply at all that you actually want to have a discussion about it. You're simply stating your opinion with no effort to reconcile the other side. Thats incredibly arrogant and almost always leads to drama.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 5:50:09 GMT
I put it in General Discussion for a reason... This doesnt imply at all that you actually want to have a discussion about it. You're simply stating your opinion with no effort to reconcile the other side. Thats incredibly arrogant and almost always leads to drama. This discord chat was created AFTER my post was moved. One. Two, I provided a fact, and clearly wanted there to be a discussion about that fact, as I was distraught you had moved it. It is not spam. If we can't have a discussion about the way the owner affirms this server to be ran, then is it worth having a thread pertained to discussions at all? imo
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