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Post by marcocorriero on Apr 26, 2020 20:36:12 GMT
Huh, i dont remember doing that, but if you do remember it, yeah and i apologize for that, but because in the past we suspected you were a part of that abuse group going on we wanted to make it stop at every single cost. But now i ask your apology for doing that so, since i never wanted to harm the server or the friendship that was ruined after this chaos happened, giving me a bad name and hate around me. Can't find myself apologizing to a dox attempt which got relatives involved. Yes, you remember this, you paid money for it, and you're making excuses for it now, making it certain that you do remember it. Also i didnt even pay money to that script kiddie, dont worry
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Post by Premintex on Apr 26, 2020 20:37:31 GMT
Can't find myself apologizing to a dox attempt which got relatives involved. Yes, you remember this, you paid money for it, and you're making excuses for it now, making it certain that you do remember it. Also i didnt even pay money to that script kiddie, dont worry You hired some weird guy
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Post by marcocorriero on Apr 26, 2020 20:38:05 GMT
Also i didnt even pay money to that script kiddie, dont worry You hired some weird guy I agree, and that was a mistake on my side.
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Post by Wild1145 on Apr 26, 2020 21:06:55 GMT
for everyone's sake, is to just let Internal Affairs deal with it. If we argue now we could expose something we don't want to Feel like that's sort of the point of IA... Like we should be encouraging transparency in the way we are working, otherwise we will need an IA for IA and then an IA for IA for IA and so on and so forth. If this needs to be hashed out, it needs to be hashed out properly.
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Post by Wild1145 on Apr 26, 2020 21:13:01 GMT
I don't know about keeping it - whatever IA says Not sure that's really IA's position either way. The policy has always been that Discord is kept separate from admin roles here and that was intentional. As long as someone who is a Discord admin is also a senior admin here, the discord could remain associated. I personally think that decision is on you to decide if you think you're fit to continue doing that role given what's come out here, not get away with blaming that on someone else. Are you even aware of what you're saying Are you just here to gaslight this thread? Also, can we all just remember, this is all like a year ago... Feels like a lot of people are getting very personal. I think you're all forgetting that this is common place on here, and if we start going down the "This happened X ago" a lot more bodies are going to end up coming out. Just look back at how the Discord server ownership was transferred, I seem to remember that being a backhanded group of people like this...
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Post by ?ZLucky on Apr 26, 2020 21:29:29 GMT
Are you just here to gaslight this thread? Ok, I'm sorry if it came off that way, but I promise I'm not trying to gaslight anything. I stated that I think marco's quote was just off. He is clearly making excuses to try and get out of trouble, and I felt the need to say what I said. I didn't expect to anger OTHER people by doing so. Back on topic, though, I think whatever happens next just depends on what the parties involved decide to do - I don't really know who to trust anymore since all this. I was a bit misinformed in my first post when I tried to give my perspective on the situation, and I'm not sure what else I can do. I hope things improve.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:35:15 GMT
... if we start going down the "This happened X ago" a lot more bodies are going to end up coming out. Is this necessarily a bad thing?
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Post by Kash on Apr 26, 2020 21:45:32 GMT
I think it's really interesting how everyone is focusing on Lemon and Premintex, and not how, at the time of this incident, Marco Corriero and LightUK were planning an attack on the server, as well as messing with the server in the days or weeks prior (I honestly can't remember, it was a while ago). Proof Marco Corriero was with LightUK. At the time I was pretending to be on their side to spy on their plans preemptively: He's admitting he can get me into contact with LightUK but that he doesn't trust me. He says LightUK would contact me. Marco basically admitting they were "attacking": At the time, those two and maybe more were joining the server, lagging it to hell, and other things. There was also a big attack planned, with logs that Lemon provided, but people just kind of ignored that. Do I agree with how Lemon or Prem handled it? No, I don't. However, there's a lot of baggage here that needs to be taken into consideration, i.e. the paying people to dox and hack. They weren't helpless innocent victims. They were threatening the server among other things. I had my own encounters with them messing with the server in the days leading up to this incident. It wasn't like one day Lemon and Prem decided to troll LightUK once, out of nowhere. It was a build up of stress and frustration. I would know, I felt that frustration too. Also to call what Lemon was doing "bullying" (I'm not sure why he used that word tbh) is just wrong in my opinion. They were actively attacking the server at this time. I guess my point is just... Stop treating LightUK and Marco Corriero like helpless victims. They aren't. And there's proof right here. And this is exactly the reason when it comes to situations like this, all sides of the story need to be taken into consideration.
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Post by Video on Apr 26, 2020 21:49:12 GMT
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Post by ?ZLucky on Apr 26, 2020 22:03:16 GMT
Right now I think where this all stands is that:
Group 1 planned a whole attack that involved crashing the server, overthrowing the owner, et cetera (I don't know the full extent but jesus christ).
Group 2 (the specific group of admins) handled it in an unorthodox way back in July that started this thread in the first place.
From the looks of it, some people in this thread are trying to make arguments that one bad act was worse than the other. That's what I'm gathering from this. But we can't prove one group's innocence by proving the others' guilt, because both groups were in the wrong.
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Post by Luke on Apr 26, 2020 22:10:31 GMT
Right now I think where this all stands is that: Group 1 planned a whole attack that involved crashing the server, overthrowing the owner, et cetera (I don't know the full extent but jesus christ). Group 2 (the specific group of admins) handled it in an unorthodox way back in July that started this thread in the first place. From the looks of it, some people in this thread are trying to make arguments that one bad act was worse than the other. That's what I'm gathering from this. But we can't prove one group's innocence by proving the others' guilt, because both groups were in the wrong. I think the reason this thread was made was because group one got justice for it (they all got perm & forum banned) whereas nothing happened with group 2 (yet)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 22:19:31 GMT
After reading everything it's clear I have some discussion to do with the IA team on moving forward with this. Will get back to everyone after doing so.
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Post by Fleek on Apr 26, 2020 22:23:14 GMT
known player (op), marco is infact not a known player but a permbanned rogue. So I don't think this is technically breaking the rules but I apologise. However, I do agree to breaking the trolling rule, and I sincerely apologise for that. Ahem, i wasn't a permbannned rogue until you and your friends actually teamed up and made me have a bad reputation when i was a mere developer trying to actually help the server, but you and your friends gave me a bad image and that's why i got titled as rogue. If I remember correctly, you gave Savnith a form of malware which led to your suspension. As of the developer, I agree you were trying to help the server but let’s face it, you couldn’t code. Me and Seth had to fix your mistakes.
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Post by marcocorriero on Apr 26, 2020 22:31:11 GMT
Ahem, i wasn't a permbannned rogue until you and your friends actually teamed up and made me have a bad reputation when i was a mere developer trying to actually help the server, but you and your friends gave me a bad image and that's why i got titled as rogue. If I remember correctly, you gave Savnith a form of malware which led to your suspension. As of the developer, I agree you were trying to help the server but let’s face it, you couldn’t code. Me and Seth had to fix your mistakes. I changed my coding style ;P , when i was admin i was a n00b that time , but i improved alot coding in different languages. LightUK and others were crashing, lagging, and doing anything in between to the server at that time, and bypassing to continue that. Lemon messaged Marco on Discord "stop gay" a bunch of times, Lemon and Prem "/expel"'d him a bunch of times before dooming him, and Zaid or Robin (not really sure who exactly) forum banned him, as he should have been. We were just talking, the lagging and crashing wasn't caused by us, since there were no reason at all for us to crash to stop the abuses, we were just behind the scenes monitoring all the abuse going on.
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Post by Luke on Apr 26, 2020 22:31:20 GMT
I think the reason this thread was made was because group one got justice for it (they all got perm & forum banned) whereas nothing happened with group 2 (yet) I honestly and truly do think that what the party who got perm & forum banned (LightUK) did was worse than what the other party (Lemon & Prem) did. If anyone disagrees, shoot me I guess. hold up but im not arguing against that, im arguing that abuse shouldn't go unpunished, ive not even compared what lemon and prem did to light and the rest
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