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Mar 17, 2019 5:33:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 5:33:38 GMT
So let me get this straight, several staff members say slurs (any form of the N word basically counts) and make racist jokes on a regular, but ops aren't allowed to do the same? Come on. Either allow racism for everyone, loosen up on it, or start enforcing it. It's a pretty bad double standard to punish someone for saying something when the staff has been doing it for longer.
If it were my say, it'd be enforced on all ends.
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Mar 17, 2019 9:28:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 9:28:23 GMT
I'd prefer it to be enforced on all ends but we just aren't going to get that. So I reckon we should make it lighter.
If an OP goes "My nigga" it's fine. If an OP goes "You filthy nigger" to be offensive, then we ban like usual. This also applies to admins, and admins can be warned etc if they do it as an insult.
I see this as fair, and I'm sure others agree.
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Fleek
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Mar 17, 2019 10:13:06 GMT
Post by Fleek on Mar 17, 2019 10:13:06 GMT
Enforce it
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Mar 17, 2019 13:04:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 13:04:26 GMT
I'd prefer it to be enforced on all ends but we just aren't going to get that. So I reckon we should make it lighter. If an OP goes "My nigga" it's fine. If an OP goes "You filthy nigger" to be offensive, then we ban like usual. This also applies to admins, and admins can be warned etc if they do it as an insult. I see this as fair, and I'm sure others agree. I agree, but the problem with the second part is the double standard. I've seen ops get in trouble just for saying the N word, no hard R.
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Mar 17, 2019 13:08:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 13:08:54 GMT
I'd prefer it to be enforced on all ends but we just aren't going to get that. So I reckon we should make it lighter. If an OP goes "My nigga" it's fine. If an OP goes "You filthy nigger" to be offensive, then we ban like usual. This also applies to admins, and admins can be warned etc if they do it as an insult. I see this as fair, and I'm sure others agree. I agree, but the problem with the second part is the double standard. I've seen ops get in trouble just for saying the N word, no hard R. that's how the rules are at this stage which I said we should change
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Mar 17, 2019 13:14:29 GMT
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Post by beetlefights on Mar 17, 2019 13:14:29 GMT
I'd vouch for enforcing banning racist slurs altogether. I don't know about others but it really doesn't seem like we're going anywhere by allowing this, especially whenever it comes to the comfort of the community
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Racism
Mar 17, 2019 13:33:50 GMT
Post by mychaeljkmax on Mar 17, 2019 13:33:50 GMT
In my view, anything that an OP is not allowed to do, an admin should be scolded for twice as much. As an admin, you are held to a stricter standard and in that sense violating a rule that we punish OPs for should be looked upon as more of a problem. I don't see why it would ever do the community good to allow racial slurs, so I'm all for enforcing them to the best of our ability.
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Mar 17, 2019 16:12:56 GMT
Post by Fluffasaurus_Rex on Mar 17, 2019 16:12:56 GMT
It should only be an issue when someone is trying to be offensive with it - if they are successful or not. There are very few reasons I can think of to both use slurs, and to ban or mute over them.
I think the rules need to be lightened up over everything - not just this one "rule." Unfortunately, I can see this falling down a rabbit hole of what is deemed ok by one person isn't seen the same way by another person. There needs to be an expectation of privacy and to not be offended at every turn, but taking away other peoples freedoms to give those few a little bit more protection isn't the answer.
Then again, this is a video game that is filled to the brim with pre-pubescent teenagers and children even younger than that so you have to remember that as well.
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Mar 17, 2019 16:46:02 GMT
Post by ?Robin on Mar 17, 2019 16:46:02 GMT
I've seen ops get in trouble just for saying the N word, no hard R. pretty much because there's some people here who think saying nigga is a racist term, even though it isn't. i just think the best way out of this is pretty much do this: It should only be an issue when someone is trying to be offensive with it - if they are successful or not.
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Mar 17, 2019 16:58:27 GMT
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Post by mychaeljkmax on Mar 17, 2019 16:58:27 GMT
I've seen ops get in trouble just for saying the N word, no hard R. pretty much because there's some people here who think saying nigga is a racist term, even though it isn't. i just think the best way out of this is pretty much do this: It should only be an issue when someone is trying to be offensive with it - if they are successful or not. This is true, but I don’t understand how something could be a racial slur if it isn’t offensive to begin with. Wouldn’t it just be considered not a racial slur if it’s not used offensively? I would assume that to dub something as a racial slur would already imply that it was offensive.
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Mar 17, 2019 17:34:27 GMT
Post by Fluffasaurus_Rex on Mar 17, 2019 17:34:27 GMT
pretty much because there's some people here who think saying nigga is a racist term, even though it isn't. i just think the best way out of this is pretty much do this: This is true, but I don’t understand how something could be a racial slur if it isn’t offensive to begin with. Wouldn’t it just be considered not a racial slur if it’s not used offensively? I would assume that to dub something as a racial slur would already imply that it was offensive. It comes down to how they are using the term. This is why making hard set rules is an issue. It doesn't allow for differing situations. Do you consider every rapper who says nigga to be a racist? Are they trying to be offensive by saying it? Before you get into the argument of "hard R vs. A, go listen to Straight Out the Gate by Tech N9ne. "Bitter we givers and they keep my figures, don't try to nigger me" He isn't using the word to be explicitly offensive. Words can be used to be offensive if the user wants them to be. Certain words can be used to be offensive even if the word itself isn't intended to be offensive. If we go far enough back, the word gay was used to express a state of joy. Up until a few years ago, it was used to show a disdain for a subject. This is why a loose rule is needed. To allow for changes in vernacular and different uses of language.
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Mar 17, 2019 21:20:14 GMT
Post by Panther on Mar 17, 2019 21:20:14 GMT
I vouch to just eliminate the ability to say slurs. It causes problems and offends people.
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Mar 17, 2019 21:22:54 GMT
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Post by mychaeljkmax on Mar 17, 2019 21:22:54 GMT
I vouch to just eliminate the ability to say slurs. It causes problems and offends people. The thing is, slurs are already prohibited according to the conduct policy. It’s just a matter of whether or not every admin is going to see eye to eye on how to enforce the rule.
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Mar 17, 2019 21:23:44 GMT
Post by Gommeh on Mar 17, 2019 21:23:44 GMT
Personally I think we need some sort of filtration mod in-game that filters out slurs. Any other type of swearing is fine (e.g. "fuck," "shit," "ass"), just not slurs (e.g. "f*ggot," "n*gger").
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Mar 17, 2019 21:26:15 GMT
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Post by mychaeljkmax on Mar 17, 2019 21:26:15 GMT
Personally I think we need some sort of filtration mod in-game that filters out slurs. Any other type of swearing is fine (e.g. "fuck," "shit," "ass"), just not slurs (e.g. "f*ggot," "n*gger"). I personally don’t know about the term ‘faggot’ as there is another meaning that’s not used to insult but is a term for a cigar. Maybe an OP would like to joke around and say ‘lemme light some of them faggots’. I think we should focus on words that are used strictly to insult and really serve no other purpose.
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