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Mar 17, 2019 21:37:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 21:37:33 GMT
Personally I think we need some sort of filtration mod in-game that filters out slurs. Any other type of swearing is fine (e.g. "fuck," "shit," "ass"), just not slurs (e.g. "f*ggot," "n*gger"). I personally don’t know about the term ‘faggot’ as there is another meaning that’s not used to insult but is a term for a cigar. Maybe an OP would like to joke around and say ‘lemme light some of them faggots’. I think we should focus on words that are used strictly to insult and really serve no other purpose. True it has another definition, but nobody uses said definition. They only bring it up when called out for saying it.
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Mar 17, 2019 22:59:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 22:59:48 GMT
I vouch to just eliminate the ability to say slurs. It causes problems and offends people. The thing is, slurs are already prohibited according to the conduct policy. It’s just a matter of whether or not every admin is going to see eye to eye on how to enforce the rule. Section 3 - Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above. If offenses are committed when there are no admins online, it can result in a perm ban. a) Ethnic, racist, religious, sexual, sexual orientation type slurs, insults, and harassment. c) Creating or pasting builds that are designed to troll (e.g. hate symbols, porn, racism, etc.) but could also be an offense under 2a. If anybody was wondering
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Mar 18, 2019 0:17:32 GMT
Post by Xanacks on Mar 18, 2019 0:17:32 GMT
I vouch to just eliminate the ability to say slurs. It causes problems and offends people. But thats why admins exist. We have mute, kick, smite, all sorts of things to tell people to stop trolling. If only a small amount of people are upset why should we punish everyone else?
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Mar 18, 2019 12:25:31 GMT
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Post by Panther on Mar 18, 2019 12:25:31 GMT
I vouch to just eliminate the ability to say slurs. It causes problems and offends people. But thats why admins exist. We have mute, kick, smite, all sorts of things to tell people to stop trolling. If only a small amount of people are upset why should we punish everyone else? the problem is it's the admins who are doing it, and those admins are very unlikely to actually stop each other from causing these problems
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Mar 18, 2019 14:07:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 14:07:12 GMT
But thats why admins exist. We have mute, kick, smite, all sorts of things to tell people to stop trolling. If only a small amount of people are upset why should we punish everyone else? the problem is it's the admins who are doing it, and those admins are very unlikely to actually stop each other from causing these problems This. I don't punish players now for saying it because of all the staff saying it. Call this drama if you want for calling out staff over it, but you know I'm right by calling this a stupid double standard.
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Mar 18, 2019 15:15:07 GMT
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Post by mibbzz on Mar 18, 2019 15:15:07 GMT
I just want to add that using racial slurs is against ProBoards ToS, and thusly our rules here. "promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of people" under objectionable content.
This also means a lot of the posts even in this thread are against the rules. I won't be deleting them for the purpose of this conversation, but if we can abstain from further usage that would be best.
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Mar 18, 2019 23:20:06 GMT
Post by Fluffasaurus_Rex on Mar 18, 2019 23:20:06 GMT
Section 3 - Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above. If offenses are committed when there are no admins online, it can result in a perm ban. I hate to be pedantic, but I would like to believe there was careful reasoning behind the exact phrasing of this rule. "Normally" shows that yes, there is technically a rule against this, but there might not be any consequences for breaking this rule. And even the rule shows that you should start with a verbal warning then move to more severe punishments as the rule breaker goes from offensive behavior to insubordination.
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Mar 19, 2019 5:01:18 GMT
Post by Xanacks on Mar 19, 2019 5:01:18 GMT
I just want to add that using racial slurs is against ProBoards ToS, and thusly our rules here. "promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of people" under objectionable content. This also means a lot of the posts even in this thread are against the rules. I won't be deleting them for the purpose of this conversation, but if we can abstain from further usage that would be best. This is a VERY good point. In game however I think it varies by admin/op to whom will get offended. Also read someone say there are double standards which I agree with as well and someone provided the solution of admins being held twice as responsible. I think generally keep it to a minimum because it's hardly ever necesarry but I'm personally against outright banning words/phrases.
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Mar 19, 2019 19:47:17 GMT
Post by instinct on Mar 19, 2019 19:47:17 GMT
niggas who ban for saying nigga have a mental illness
let ops say what they want unless they're dropping hard Rs
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Mar 22, 2019 1:02:33 GMT
Post by neroblackcat on Mar 22, 2019 1:02:33 GMT
Personally I think we need some sort of filtration mod in-game that filters out slurs. Any other type of swearing is fine (e.g. "fuck," "shit," "ass"), just not slurs (e.g. "f*ggot," "n*gger"). I personally don’t know about the term ‘faggot’ as there is another meaning that’s not used to insult but is a term for a cigar. Maybe an OP would like to joke around and say ‘lemme light some of them faggots’. I think we should focus on words that are used strictly to insult and really serve no other purpose. And kike just means a circle. ¯\_(?)_/¯ Anyways the thing is how tf do we know if people saying shit like faggot are or aren't gay? Like, it's the internet. You don't know what people identify as. It's pretty obvious when a word is used in an offensive way. It comes down moreso to an argument of nobody should say it, people who the word is usually negatively targeted at can say it, or who tf cares.
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Mar 22, 2019 1:56:29 GMT
Post by Super on Mar 22, 2019 1:56:29 GMT
Vouch, it is very important that us admins set good examples for OPs
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Mar 23, 2019 15:42:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 15:42:04 GMT
Section 3 - Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above. If offenses are committed when there are no admins online, it can result in a perm ban. even the rule shows that you should start with a verbal warning then move to more severe punishments as the rule breaker goes from offensive behavior to insubordination. Which implies that it is against the rules. Why would you have to give a warning unless it was against the rules?
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Mar 24, 2019 0:52:14 GMT
Post by Fluffasaurus_Rex on Mar 24, 2019 0:52:14 GMT
even the rule shows that you should start with a verbal warning then move to more severe punishments as the rule breaker goes from offensive behavior to insubordination. Which implies that it is against the rules. Why would you have to give a warning unless it was against the rules? As far as I understood the topic, it wasn't about whether this was a rule, but what to do about it because it has been explicitly stated that there is a rule, just that we aren't "enforcing" it enough. As I see it, he rule is currently being enforced as written as long as a ban isn't given over a first or even second offense. The part you quoted me on was me essentially saying that when it came to brass tacks, you wouldn't really be banning someone for language, but for not heeding an admins warnings which would be insubordination. The part of the conduct policy "offensive behavior" is under it literally says "Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above." It is literally right above the rule being discussed on the conduct policy page
Yes, it is against the rules, but the conduct policy states that the only time a ban should be issued is when repeated offenses has occurred; all other times a warning, smiting, muting, caging etc should be used.
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Mar 24, 2019 11:31:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 11:31:47 GMT
Which implies that it is against the rules. Why would you have to give a warning unless it was against the rules? As far as I understood the topic, it wasn't about whether this was a rule, but what to do about it because it has been explicitly stated that there is a rule, just that we aren't "enforcing" it enough. As I see it, he rule is currently being enforced as written as long as a ban isn't given over a first or even second offense. The part you quoted me on was me essentially saying that when it came to brass tacks, you wouldn't really be banning someone for language, but for not heeding an admins warnings which would be insubordination. The part of the conduct policy "offensive behavior" is under it literally says "Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above." It is literally right above the rule being discussed on the conduct policy page
Yes, it is against the rules, but the conduct policy states that the only time a ban should be issued is when repeated offenses has occurred; all other times a warning, smiting, muting, caging etc should be used. Section 3 - Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above. If offenses are committed when there are no admins online, it can result in a perm ban."a. Ethnic, racist, religious, sexual, sexual orientation type slurs, insults, and harassment. However, if the slurs, insults, or harassment is clearly a joke with no negative intent, then nothing needs to be done." The issue here is mainly the wording of "clearly a joke" - what constitutes a "clear joke" in this instance? I could make a heavily detailed dick bursting with jizz, but I could either call it "art" or a "joke build", and the same could go for an easy build such as a swastika, dick etc. Would it constitute a joke if I were to spell out the n-word over spawn as a joke? You can literally claim anything to be a joke and avoid any consequences this way. So either you allow people to be able to clearly troll by being offensive with slurs, builds and such, or you ban certain words and builds. This is a MineCraft server, not a college, so I don't see why we should give people the opportunity to be blatantly offensive, but be able to circumvent any action being taken against them. As you, yourself, said: "Yes, it is against the rules, but the conduct policy states that the only time a ban should be issued is when repeated offenses has occurred; all other times a warning, smiting, muting, caging etc should be used", which in other words means that it is against the conduct policy, wherien if you continue this prohibited behaviour you will get a ban.
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Jul 2, 2019 8:09:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 8:09:43 GMT
forgot to put if its clearly a joke then its fine.
to admins: if you can't tell a joke from actual racism resign and never touch the internet again thx.
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