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Post by blackedout on Jul 25, 2018 18:28:42 GMT
I've suggested this many times, most admins vouched but no one was bothered to implement it. Then some admins don't give a shit about your safety and object. Because it's not the end of the world if someone knows an IP. Like seriously, if you're afraid of that, then the internet might not be the place for you I would rather not be ddosed a shit ton or someone finding otu where I live. |
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Post by rylie. on Jul 25, 2018 19:00:24 GMT
Because it's not the end of the world if someone knows an IP. Like seriously, if you're afraid of that, then the internet might not be the place for you I would rather not be ddosed a shit ton or someone finding otu where I live. Being DDoSed ain't the end of the world -- See it as an opportunity to do something productive in society or something lol As for someone finding out where you live, that's not as likely to happen as you think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 21:19:40 GMT
I would rather not be ddosed a shit ton or someone finding otu where I live. Being DDoSed ain't the end of the world -- See it as an opportunity to do something productive in society or something lol As for someone finding out where you live, that's not as likely to happen as you think. If the stalker lives close to you, wont be a problem for him to pay a visit. |
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Post by rylie. on Jul 25, 2018 21:22:15 GMT
Being DDoSed ain't the end of the world -- See it as an opportunity to do something productive in society or something lol As for someone finding out where you live, that's not as likely to happen as you think. If the stalker lives close to you, wont be a problem for him to pay a visit. As I've stated before, most IP geolocation sites give you a relative location, not an exact down-to-the-house-address location. |
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Post by xriqn on Jul 25, 2018 21:24:38 GMT
Unless you have a shit router you're safe from ddos attacks anyway.
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Post by kai on Jul 25, 2018 21:30:27 GMT
all i see from this thread is that you're all paranoid - the likely hood of someone finding out your EXACT location is very, very slim, if not impossible from searching up an IP address. they are easily found through a couple clicks and a website, and you're not in any more danger if we hide them in bans.
if you're so paranoid about your IP being found or used, i don't think you should be using the internet period. there's a lot more dangerous things out there than somebody seeing a bunch of numbers that link to your router. plus, admins SIGN UP knowing they could be DoX'd or DDoS'd, so if you're an admin and you're fearing that will happen then perhaps you shouldn't have applied.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 21:01:04 GMT
I reckon this would be unnecessary. For admins, seeing the IP makes it easier to check for alts right after, and various other techniques to prevent a serial-offender, right after banning.
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Post by mattlawn on Jul 26, 2018 21:07:26 GMT
idk why ops would need to see ips I vouch
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Post by OfficialLeo_ on Jul 26, 2018 21:11:57 GMT
all i see from this thread is that you're all paranoid - the likely hood of someone finding out your EXACT location is very, very slim, if not impossible from searching up an IP address. they are easily found through a couple clicks and a website, and you're not in any more danger if we hide them in bans. if you're so paranoid about your IP being found or used, i don't think you should be using the internet period. there's a lot more dangerous things out there than somebody seeing a bunch of numbers that link to your router. plus, admins SIGN UP knowing they could be DoX'd or DDoS'd, so if you're an admin and you're fearing that will happen then perhaps you shouldn't have applied. Though, I see no reason why operators would need to see IP addresses. If anything- all it causes is possible upset due to “security” from younger OP’s as well as fake threats between players as “I have your ip now” There is absolutely no advantage to sharing IP addresses in public chat with operators, only negative factors. I vouch |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 22:12:42 GMT
If this thread is about you being worried about yourself or others getting booted off the internet over your IP being exposed for whatever reason... -If someone really wanted to boot you offline, they would have no problem doing so, even if this was implemented. -Chances of you getting booted offline while playing Minecraft is really low, unless you're a Minecraft server. -This would not stop anyone from seeing your IP if they wish to find it. Simply by using essential commands, it's still not hard to do. -If you're still concerned about your IP being private, get a VPN/Proxy (before one gets any ideas, we can still ban those who use those services). -It is not easy for anyone to find your exact location. Only an approximate, and even then it's not accurate. -This is not useful. At all. You can take off your tinfoil hat, because this isn't 1984.  |
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Post by Premintex on Jul 26, 2018 22:24:52 GMT
I vouch. If ops feel more comfortable with their ips hidden, then so be it.
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Post by Zenreon on Jul 27, 2018 1:29:02 GMT
alright, vouch. there's no reason for them to be completely shown, and clearly the community doesn't like it, proof would be both controversies in-game and essentially, this thread.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 27, 2018 11:22:18 GMT
Vouch. I completely agree that the DDoS and location arguments are weak, but these ones are not:
1. This server attracts power-hungry 8-year-olds who think releasing their IP address will get them murdered in their sleep next night. I consider those who think we are in a position to educate them otherwise inexperienced admins.
2. Why does everyone objecting to this act like it is our job to give out as much public information as possible? Do you also want us to hook up a breached password database to the server so we can publicly expose all of their unsafe passwords?
3. The people who are against this act like IP addresses are naturally exposed by the server and we have to apply a janky patch to stop that. Reality is that this a TFM feature that has no reason to exist. (Reminder that there is no other way to get someone's IP as an OP within the server, despite some claims.)
Now that I have given multiple reasons why it is a bad thing, I want to ask objecters to give me one reason why it is a good thing to show them to OPs. Not a reason why it's not necessary to hide them or why it wouldn't do anything, but a reason why it is a good thing to show them to OPs. You have never given a counterargument before.
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Post by _Windows on Jul 27, 2018 12:13:18 GMT
If the development work is done for this, it can go ahead and be done. Ops do not need to see IPs anyways.
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Post by MrDicty/DrJenal on Jul 27, 2018 12:24:12 GMT
Vouch for Steven's reason and the following:
- It makes some ops feel much safer.
- Although admins are accepting the risk they are ops who may not have accepted the risk
- If you accept the risk then that doesn't mean we shouldn't do as little protection as possible.
- If we disable it for ops view only then admins can use it for other things such as permban requests.
- There is no benefit of letter ops see the IPs in ban messages.
- It increases risk of DDoS/Dox
The first thing I'd like to say is why would ops need to see IP addresses? The second question is do a few words on the policy suggesting that any small security gaps mean you need to be cautious mean that we should be lazy and leave IPs 100% visible to ops?
To all admins who objected or are considering leaving an objection. Pay attention to mine and Steven's posts and if you still object I would like to hear an answer to the two questions above, quote this post and state why.
EDIT: I know Windows just posted but I spent a while typing this message and when I reloaded Windows had posted.
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