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Post by Hockey on Jul 20, 2018 0:16:50 GMT
Many of you have been wondering why Irix was suspended. We, the admin officers, are very committed to transparency, and wanted to keep you in the know. We made the decision to remove Irix on the 8th. We received a report about a dispute between Irix and an OP. Irix started building on top of an OP's build. Irix did not stop when asked by the OP. The OP removed Irix's edits, so Irix smited. Irix rebuilt, the OP removed his edit again. The process went on for a while, the OP started acting out, and the OP was banned. Here are some images: imgur.com/a/jIUHp4y . We also received reports of Irix doing this to an admin's build: i.imgur.com/Nbi2wfpFinally, we've had numerous reports filed by several different admins in the past about Irix's behavior. He had been warned over and over again. We took all three of these factors into consideration, and we decided it best to remove him. Irix will be allowed to reinstate on the 25th. We're still discussing whether or not to reinstate to senior. We've appreciated your patience as we sorted this out. inFAmas97 Kash JagWire |
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Post by ???DaddyIndica on Jul 20, 2018 0:22:35 GMT
About damn time.
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Post by mattlawn on Jul 20, 2018 0:32:03 GMT
thanks for the update
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 1:16:26 GMT
Submit to Roger.
Thanks for the update on this
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Post by Video on Jul 20, 2018 1:44:21 GMT
Thank you for the update.
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Post by Pramire on Jul 20, 2018 1:50:47 GMT
I'm aware that defending irix isn't a popular decision, but I'm going to speak out against this anyway. This entire situation has been a great disservice to the integrity of the admin officers and it has just been blatantly pathetic. I've read the private messages and most of this "update" is frankly untrue, and these are my thoughts. irix wasn't impeding on the op's privacy[1] or griefing (which is explained in the PM). The OP, however, argued with irix about his build, later removed it, which is griefing, and was punished accordingly. This removal clearly isn't valid since it's all dependent on explanation, and the fact that someone can be removed for freely building on the server. Just something isn't liked in a certain spot, that doesn't mean it can be removed. For example, Palestinian flags are above certain builds of mine in the adminworld, but that doesn't give me the okay to remove them because I don't like them there. Most of the reports mentioned above were invalid (and a few were misunderstandings), but that should have been addressed (and a suspension if necessary), rather than making a minor incident the forefront for levying all issues with irix. I'm also not sure what happened, either. inFAmas has told me directly that irix has been making an effort to improve their behavior, so I'm not sure why these reports are an issue again. Regardless, the main issue to me isn't that irix was removed for something insignificant and untrue, it's that he did try to explain why the removal was invalid. Clearly that was all discredited because the issues irix debunked in the PM are still being cited here. It's awe-inspiring to me that an admin, let alone a senior one can be suspended for something that can't even be described as a technicality. If I were to have done this I'd be laughed at. In fact, the conclusion was that irix would be reinstated within the matter of a few days, which has evolved into a multi-week process, where reinstatement is being forced. If you would like to see the aforementioned conversations, irix has said that they'll forward them to whoever asks. I think the longevity of this can be blamed on the vagueness of certain officers, as well as not being aware of how certain rules are defined in the conduct policy. This situation has been handled in nothing but a tyrannical manner, with comments from officers, such as this one are widespread and are an example of why this has been handled so poorly. [1]b. Invading privacy of other players when asked not to. For example, teleporting to other players even though they asked to be left alone however the other players need to well away from the spawn; no privacy should be expected at or near the spawn. |
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Post by Darth on Jul 20, 2018 2:03:52 GMT
Thanks for the update. Personally, I agree with the decision to suspend irix. Senior admins should be held to the highest standard, not given the most room to mess up.
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Post by Panther on Jul 20, 2018 2:09:49 GMT
I agree with Pramire. I'd also like to add that even though irix did get reported on the forums, many of those reports weren't at all valid. For example, I've seen an admin talk about reporting him on the forum behind his back when all that irix did was threaten to suspend them for a completely valid reason. I don't think that the number of reports irix has gotten should be taken into account at all because many of them are completely invalid.
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Post by inFAmas97 on Jul 20, 2018 2:28:55 GMT
I'm aware that defending irix isn't a popular decision, but I'm going to speak out against this anyway. This entire situation has been a great disservice to the integrity of the admin officers and it has just been blatantly pathetic. I've read the private messages and most of this "update" is frankly untrue, and these are my thoughts. irix wasn't impeding on the op's privacy[1] or griefing (which is explained in the PM). The OP, however, argued with irix about his build, later removed it, which is griefing, and was punished accordingly. This removal clearly isn't valid since it's all dependent on explanation, and the fact that someone can be removed for freely building on the server. Just something isn't liked in a certain spot, that doesn't mean it can be removed. For example, Palestinian flags are above certain builds of mine in the adminworld, but that doesn't give me the okay to remove them because I don't like them there. Most of the reports mentioned above were invalid (and a few were misunderstandings), but that should have been addressed (and a suspension if necessary), rather than making a minor incident the forefront for levying all issues with irix. I'm also not sure what happened, either. inFAmas has told me directly that irix has been making an effort to improve their behavior, so I'm not sure why these reports are an issue again. Regardless, the main issue to me isn't that irix was removed for something insignificant and untrue, it's that he did try to explain why the removal was invalid. Clearly that was all discredited because the issues irix debunked in the PM are still being cited here. It's awe-inspiring to me that an admin, let alone a senior one can be suspended for something that can't even be described as a technicality. If I were to have done this I'd be laughed at. In fact, the conclusion was that irix would be reinstated within the matter of a few days, which has evolved into a multi-week process, where reinstatement is being forced. If you would like to see the aforementioned conversations, irix has said that they'll forward them to whoever asks. I think the longevity of this can be blamed on the vagueness of certain officers, as well as not being aware of how certain rules are defined in the conduct policy. This situation has been handled in nothing but a tyrannical manner, with comments from officers, such as this one are widespread and are an example of why this has been handled so poorly. [1]b. Invading privacy of other players when asked not to. For example, teleporting to other players even though they asked to be left alone however the other players need to well away from the spawn; no privacy should be expected at or near the spawn. He was not removed for any 1 thing. It was due to a long history of complaints and reports about him. I hoped he would show improvement after leveling with him but that is simply not the case and the reports continued to roll in. I agree that any one case is not grounds for a suspension, but at this point, the sheer number of reports speaks volumes more than any single report. I told him something needed to change as he the common denominator. There has been a good amount of time since I warned him of that, but nothing changed and I continued to recieve reports about him. If he wants to be an admin here, something needs to change and he is the only one who can make that happen. |
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Post by Pramire on Jul 20, 2018 2:34:36 GMT
I'm aware that defending irix isn't a popular decision, but I'm going to speak out against this anyway. This entire situation has been a great disservice to the integrity of the admin officers and it has just been blatantly pathetic. I've read the private messages and most of this "update" is frankly untrue, and these are my thoughts. irix wasn't impeding on the op's privacy[1] or griefing (which is explained in the PM). The OP, however, argued with irix about his build, later removed it, which is griefing, and was punished accordingly. This removal clearly isn't valid since it's all dependent on explanation, and the fact that someone can be removed for freely building on the server. Just something isn't liked in a certain spot, that doesn't mean it can be removed. For example, Palestinian flags are above certain builds of mine in the adminworld, but that doesn't give me the okay to remove them because I don't like them there. Most of the reports mentioned above were invalid (and a few were misunderstandings), but that should have been addressed (and a suspension if necessary), rather than making a minor incident the forefront for levying all issues with irix. I'm also not sure what happened, either. inFAmas has told me directly that irix has been making an effort to improve their behavior, so I'm not sure why these reports are an issue again. Regardless, the main issue to me isn't that irix was removed for something insignificant and untrue, it's that he did try to explain why the removal was invalid. Clearly that was all discredited because the issues irix debunked in the PM are still being cited here. It's awe-inspiring to me that an admin, let alone a senior one can be suspended for something that can't even be described as a technicality. If I were to have done this I'd be laughed at. In fact, the conclusion was that irix would be reinstated within the matter of a few days, which has evolved into a multi-week process, where reinstatement is being forced. If you would like to see the aforementioned conversations, irix has said that they'll forward them to whoever asks. I think the longevity of this can be blamed on the vagueness of certain officers, as well as not being aware of how certain rules are defined in the conduct policy. This situation has been handled in nothing but a tyrannical manner, with comments from officers, such as this one are widespread and are an example of why this has been handled so poorly. [1]b. Invading privacy of other players when asked not to. For example, teleporting to other players even though they asked to be left alone however the other players need to well away from the spawn; no privacy should be expected at or near the spawn. He was not removed for any 1 thing. It was due to a long history of complaints and reports about him. I hoped he would show improvement after leveling with him but that is simply not the case and the reports continued to roll in. I agree that any one case is not grounds for a suspension, but at this point, the sheer number of reports speaks volumes more than any single report. I told him something needed to change as he the common denominator. There has been a good amount of time since I warned him of that, but nothing changed and I continued to recieve reports about him. If he wants to be an admin here, something needs to change and he is the only one who can make that happen. You're pretty much just picked apart points of my posts and ignored the majority of them. Like I said, this doesn't seem to be consistent to what you're saying here. But this removal wasn't for the reports at all? This removal (as you said in that PM) was for irix to explain what he did wrong in that situation, now it's "you're suspended for everything else you've done, and by the way, you'll have to file a reinstatement." |
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Post by neroblackcat on Jul 20, 2018 3:22:54 GMT
I'm aware that defending irix isn't a popular decision, but I'm going to speak out against this anyway. This entire situation has been a great disservice to the integrity of the admin officers and it has just been blatantly pathetic. I've read the private messages and most of this "update" is frankly untrue, and these are my thoughts. irix wasn't impeding on the op's privacy[1] or griefing (which is explained in the PM). The OP, however, argued with irix about his build, later removed it, which is griefing, and was punished accordingly. This removal clearly isn't valid since it's all dependent on explanation, and the fact that someone can be removed for freely building on the server. Just something isn't liked in a certain spot, that doesn't mean it can be removed. For example, Palestinian flags are above certain builds of mine in the adminworld, but that doesn't give me the okay to remove them because I don't like them there. Most of the reports mentioned above were invalid (and a few were misunderstandings), but that should have been addressed (and a suspension if necessary), rather than making a minor incident the forefront for levying all issues with irix. I'm also not sure what happened, either. inFAmas has told me directly that irix has been making an effort to improve their behavior, so I'm not sure why these reports are an issue again. Regardless, the main issue to me isn't that irix was removed for something insignificant and untrue, it's that he did try to explain why the removal was invalid. Clearly that was all discredited because the issues irix debunked in the PM are still being cited here. It's awe-inspiring to me that an admin, let alone a senior one can be suspended for something that can't even be described as a technicality. If I were to have done this I'd be laughed at. In fact, the conclusion was that irix would be reinstated within the matter of a few days, which has evolved into a multi-week process, where reinstatement is being forced. If you would like to see the aforementioned conversations, irix has said that they'll forward them to whoever asks. I think the longevity of this can be blamed on the vagueness of certain officers, as well as not being aware of how certain rules are defined in the conduct policy. This situation has been handled in nothing but a tyrannical manner, with comments from officers, such as this one are widespread and are an example of why this has been handled so poorly. [1]b. Invading privacy of other players when asked not to. For example, teleporting to other players even though they asked to be left alone however the other players need to well away from the spawn; no privacy should be expected at or near the spawn. Since when was he told to change his behavior? He never did he's over time only gotten more dickish. I'm not at all shocked that people have reported him for that. And whilst he didn't directly touch someone's build/grief it, he harassed the player even when asked kindly to stop. Irix could've easily built his own crap somewhere else yet he decided to fuck with an op who has no power over anything when it comes to being annoyed by admins. |
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Post by ???DaddyIndica on Jul 20, 2018 3:34:17 GMT
And whilst he didn't directly touch someone's build/grief it, he harassed the player even when asked kindly to stop. Irix could've easily built his own crap somewhere else yet he decided to fuck with an op who has no power over anything when it comes to being annoyed by admins. I think it's funny that he was apparently warned so many times to stop, and he is only now being suspended. It confuses me on how they say the system is fair to the lower admins, when they themselves admit they got a lot of reports for issues with irix. This also isn't the first time this has happened, he tends to use his seniority as a reason to punish people for things that aren't actually rules, and if anyone happens to question it, they continue with their seniority and threaten a punishment. So, I'm mostly wondering why we should still continue to think Infamas is a competent admin manager when there have been so many issues with this admin, and they've only now gotten suspended. |
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Post by Kash on Jul 20, 2018 4:15:55 GMT
The suspension definitely could’ve been handled differently instead of being so all over the place. I wasn’t as open as I should’ve been when it came to hearing all sides of the story. It would be more fair that way, especially since it appeared that he was able to justify all of his claims. We should’ve considered how he justified his claims, instead of being very one sided and just dismissing almost everything he said. However, I also feel on the other hand that he needs to show more respect to administrators and not get carried away with the power of being a senior. I’ve seen him act like he’s more powerful before. As an administrator, he needs to always do his duties completely based on the conduct policy, and nothing more. Not making up his own rules like some administrators have claimed he’s done before. Now, if those admins were wrong about accusing him, then that’s got to change too. We can’t have people being falsely accused. However, if irix actually did abuse his power, that obviously has to change as well. So either way, a side of administrators behavior has to change. We can’t have people who falsely accuse OR abuse their powers. I’m going to start cracking down more and looking into reports and claims against administrators, and only discipline when they’re is confirmed evidence. If I find that people are pointing fingers and falsely accusing administrators of things they didn’t do, there will also be consequences for that as well.
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Post by OfficialLeo_ on Jul 20, 2018 5:36:00 GMT
Him building that close to an OP’s build and it not being grief because it wasn’t touching his is just a bit of a dick move, just a bit of an asshole thing to do.
He was definitely targettting the op though, why couldn’t just build elsewhere? Or leave the op alone? He definitely decided to stay where the op was and be an annoyance.
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Post by Jayscoob on Jul 20, 2018 7:32:46 GMT
Just because he is an administrator does not mean he can do whatever he wants. There are sanctions involved. The executives felt that sanctions needed to be taken into action so they did just that. They are already offering Irix the chance to reinstate after clearly abusing their role as a Senior Admin. I don’t see what more you could ask from this. All I ask is why an op was banned for clearly just minding their own business and being FORCED to deal with such misconduct from a staff member who should be doing nothing but helping the op and bettering their experience. I do admit, sure the OP could have reported him instead of breaking what Irix built to prevent himself from being banned, but he was just trying to stop the misconduct so he could get back to quietly building his stuff like he was doing previous to Irix’s actions.
Please see what Varuct says. He makes the BEST point in my opinion.
Some of Varuct's point being: Irix did make the bad choice of griefing the op's build, which was immature, but the way the executives handled the situation was abnormal.
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