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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 20:58:34 GMT
Just want to say that I have updated my suggestion a little bit, here's a link to it. I will continue to update it overtime as I see fit. Among other changes, I have added the suggestion of "Improved communication and transparency from executives and the owner". I think it's a pretty big issue, as apparent even in this thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 21:04:04 GMT
I fully agree with zekurt. This problem needs to be fixed. I honestly can't stand the admins who think that they are better than the ops just because they are admins. The admins were given commands to manage the server and forum, but they weren't given instant respect. Yes, they should be respected but that doesn't mean that ops are less valuable - infact they are more valuable than admins - and if we keep acting like this towards ops, the server will soon be called "adminfreedom".
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Post by Connor on Dec 16, 2017 21:05:21 GMT
Just want to say that I have updated my suggestion a little bit, here's a link to it. I will continue to update it overtime as I see fit. Among other changes, I have added the suggestion of "Improved communication and transparency from executives and the owner". I think it's a pretty big issue, as apparent even in this thread. I completely agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 22:08:47 GMT
Just want to say that I have updated my suggestion a little bit, here's a link to it. I will continue to update it overtime as I see fit. Among other changes, I have added the suggestion of "Improved communication and transparency from executives and the owner". I think it's a pretty big issue, as apparent even in this thread. I completely agree. I know you agree, and I appreciate that. What annoys me is the executives that seemingly don't care. |
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Post by @pramire on Dec 16, 2017 22:25:52 GMT
I somewhat agree, or at least have some sort of evaluation of them before they plan to reinstate. I don't believe making admin applications any more difficult will decrease the amount of admins who's skill sets are lower. All I see it doing is stopping 'noob' applicants. An admin purge is more of what we don't need. More ex-admins storming on the server on alts and VPNs, complaining about TotalFreedom and how they were unfairly removed. This already happens frequently. 'Stop treating players like dogshit' isn't something that would be easily fixed by stopping new applicants. As I outlined before, you would be removing current admins, which would require a judgement of character and endless arguments about how removing admin "a" removal is unfair, why wasn't admin "b" removed.
Quite a few of these issues are caused because most servers don't have the same 'gametype' and 'morals' of TotalFreedom. Hypixel is a business, focusing on satisfying players to have them return and to continue to spend their money. TotalFreedom isn't focused on money, and instead 'sells' the experience experience that is gained on a freedom server. We have to focus more on administration than some much, much larger servers. TotalFreedom requires at least a single admin to be online constantly, the server is small but the cost of manpower is astronomical compared to Hypixel and other large servers. (Developers excluded).
I agree about the lack of communication, as a former admin, I still care about suspensions etc., something that I'm not informed about unless I ask another admin. There are aspects of TotalFreedom that are completely admin focused, which I feel includes the forum. Personally, I think the forum should be an extension of the culture of the server, and instead is mainly devoted to the operation of the server. A fair amount of users only join the server to become a staff member, not just to 'join the forum'. Looking at larger servers, forums are dedicated to community, and operations, but feels more user friendly. There's an incentive to join the forum on larger servers. This definitely needs to be addressed.
On the subject of having a freeze:
Freezes happen, but most of the time, *PaS'es are allowed to continue, admin reinstatements continue. I haven't been convinced that application freezes are useful in the way that they are executed.
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Post by untuned on Dec 17, 2017 1:12:04 GMT
I vouch. Even though I have not been admin for long, I have been on the server for a while. Quite a while back, maybe a couple years, I would stay at the server list, waiting for the "Server is full." message to go away, just for a chance at playing. It's sad to see that now it's very rare to see the player count go above 35 maybe.
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Post by Polska ?ywno?? on Dec 18, 2017 16:21:45 GMT
I know you agree, and I appreciate that. What annoys me is the executives that seemingly don't care. Then why have any business being an executive? So they can just sit on their ass and make sure the server doesn´t die (which it will if something like this is denied) Seriously wtf Execs, do your fucking job for once. |
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Post by Connor on Dec 18, 2017 22:14:52 GMT
I know you agree, and I appreciate that. What annoys me is the executives that seemingly don't care. Then why have any business being an executive? So they can just sit on their ass and make sure the server doesn´t die (which it will if something like this is denied) Seriously wtf Execs, do your fucking job for once. Whoa whoa, why so hostile? Listen, all the executives are aware of this post. The conversation is being perfected in private so that we can take the best, most effective action possible. Like I've said time and time again, time is of the essence. A little patience will go a long way and I really don't appreciate the hostility. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 3:52:20 GMT
I personally think every single admin on the server should have to reapply. Obviously not by using the admin template, but actually create a new one that everyone has to fill out and ensures you know all of the policies, TFM, and how you will be helpful to the server (just some ideas)
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Post by Drunkle Qrow (BuscusFan) on Dec 19, 2017 8:31:37 GMT
Then why have any business being an executive? So they can just sit on their ass and make sure the server doesn´t die (which it will if something like this is denied) Seriously wtf Execs, do your fucking job for once. Whoa whoa, why so hostile? Listen, all the executives are aware of this post. The conversation is being perfected in private so that we can take the best, most effective action possible. Like I've said time and time again, time is of the essence. A little patience will go a long way and I really don't appreciate the hostility. That's the problem, it shouldn't be JUST the executives making a decision that affects the entire server. It shouldn't be perfected in private when it's a public matter. That's part of the problem |
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Post by OfficialLeo_ on Dec 19, 2017 13:24:51 GMT
Then why have any business being an executive? So they can just sit on their ass and make sure the server doesn´t die (which it will if something like this is denied) Seriously wtf Execs, do your fucking job for once.
Half of the issue is that exactly though. Topics are hidden and spoken about in private, there is a lack of communication which leaves unanswered questions. I think that the Executives need to post on this thread more with their opinions rather than running away and doing it in the private. |
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Post by _Windows on Dec 19, 2017 15:12:42 GMT
Its clear that some changes are needed. I will be considering the options and making changes as needed over the next few weeks. Repeat rogues will be dealt with more harshly especially for reinstating.
I am also working on increasing transparency of the changes.
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Post by Polska ?ywno?? on Dec 19, 2017 16:34:32 GMT
Then why have any business being an executive? So they can just sit on their ass and make sure the server doesn´t die (which it will if something like this is denied) Seriously wtf Execs, do your fucking job for once. Whoa whoa, why so hostile? Listen, all the executives are aware of this post. The conversation is being perfected in private so that we can take the best, most effective action possible. Like I've said time and time again, time is of the essence. A little patience will go a long way and I really don't appreciate the hostility. I will not be calm with any of you anymore. Im glad WIndows finally stepped up and said something, but this is fucking ridiculous. Not going to care? No business being an exec. also conner I was talking about the execs who dont care not you. |
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Post by Polska ?ywno?? on Dec 19, 2017 16:37:56 GMT
Its clear that some changes are needed. I will be considering the options and making changes as needed over the next few weeks. Repeat rogues will be dealt with more harshly especially for reinstating. I am also working on increasing transparency of the changes. So is this suggestion rejected or approved? And are you going to close admin applications as well or just deal with rogues? |
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Post by Drunkle Qrow (BuscusFan) on Dec 19, 2017 17:13:15 GMT
Its clear that some changes are needed. I will be considering the options and making changes as needed over the next few weeks. Repeat rogues will be dealt with more harshly especially for reinstating. I am also working on increasing transparency of the changes. So is this suggestion rejected or approved? And are you going to close admin applications as well or just deal with rogues? This isn't the kind of suggestion that can be approved quickly and is simple to implement. A change like this is going to be massive and is going to take time to implement. It's going to be a multiple step process that will be an on-going project. It's not as simple as rejecting or approving the suggestion and then doing all of this. It's going to take time |
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