?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Oct 15, 2017 20:03:59 GMT
totalfreedom.boards.net/user/204691. Approx date and time you suspended the admin. at the time of this post 2. Why you suspended the admin - include relevant log entries sending logs over to CresendoFX, a suspended senior admin [15:54:04] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Mandar> Hello BanterousSor [15:54:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ADMIN] Pinchyy [STA]: He's sending me a public apology and I'm posting it [15:54:10] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Mandar> I was never the best admin [15:54:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Mandar> Thanks anyways [15:54:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Michael2344 joined the game [15:54:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Michael2344 left the game [15:54:12] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Dylan5678> The point of this potion is to lagg your client [15:54:13] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] * Confusione is now AFK. [15:54:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [STA] <BanterousSor> Who's sending u logs [15:54:17] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ADMIN] KingTubeLoL [SA]: right :^) [15:54:21] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Mandar> Crimson told me [15:54:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ADMIN] KingTubeLoL [SA]: Okay. additional info  3. Did you attempt to correct the admin before suspending him/her to include a short time removal (e.g. 10 mins)? this wasn't needed in this matter 4. Did you notify the admin that you removed them from and why? yes, they have been notified 5. If you answered no to either 3 or 4, please explain. Except in extreme case such as the admin going rogue, I would expect yes answers for both. the only reason i've said no in #3 because well, cresc got suspended for sending information to scutix, and now his tpas pick (confusione in this matter) is now sending admin information to crescendo
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Premintex
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Post by Premintex on Oct 15, 2017 23:44:42 GMT
After this case, I suggest admins tell others that they’re recording, so they don’t give out “admin only info”.
Too much suspensions at a short time, that’s rare
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 23:46:15 GMT
After this case, I suggest admins tell others that they’re recording, so they don’t give out “admin only info”. Too much suspensions at a short time, that’s rare How about... just don't give out admin only info? It's not fucking hard. |
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Post by Premintex on Oct 15, 2017 23:55:07 GMT
After this case, I suggest admins tell others that they’re recording, so they don’t give out “admin only info”. Too much suspensions at a short time, that’s rare How about... just don't give out admin only info? It's not fucking hard. Thing is admins like recording (including thecoolmike) so to avoid giving out “admin info” entirely, we’ll probably have to add a rule that will trigger many people |
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Mike
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Post by Mike on Oct 16, 2017 0:01:27 GMT
How about... just don't give out admin only info? It's not fucking hard. Thing is admins like recording (including thecoolmike) so to avoid giving out “admin info” entirely, we’ll probably have to add a rule that will trigger many people Hi, you said my name. There were recordings that I deleted because admins were talking too much about rogues and raging about being DDOSed in my recording that I didn't want to upload it. We might need to consider a policy on it, though there is a TF announcement that says "You are free to record and stream videos on TF". |
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Post by Premintex on Oct 16, 2017 0:07:12 GMT
Thing is admins like recording (including thecoolmike) so to avoid giving out “admin info” entirely, we’ll probably have to add a rule that will trigger many people Hi, you said my name. There were recordings that I deleted because admins were talking too much about rogues and raging about being DDOSed in my recording that I didn't want to upload it. We might need to consider a policy on it, though there is a TF announcement that says "You are free to record and stream videos on TF". Yes of course it’s allowed for ops, but for us admins something probably should happen about it (I suggest that before posting your videos, you show it to someone who checks if it’s a yes or no |
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Post by rrj112 on Oct 16, 2017 10:35:04 GMT
Why not make a cmd so u can turn off adminchat and admins can record freely
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Oct 17, 2017 1:28:04 GMT
Thing is admins like recording (including thecoolmike) so to avoid giving out “admin info” entirely, we’ll probably have to add a rule that will trigger many people Hi, you said my name. There were recordings that I deleted because admins were talking too much about rogues and raging about being DDOSed in my recording that I didn't want to upload it. We might need to consider a policy on it, though there is a TF announcement that says "You are free to record and stream videos on TF". so can we really do something about this suspension or what? |
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Post by Harry Hart (Galahad) on Oct 17, 2017 1:53:57 GMT
Why not make a cmd so u can turn off adminchat and admins can record freely I suggested that two years ago and it never got through. I could bump the thread if you'd like. |
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Paldiu
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Post by Paldiu on Oct 17, 2017 15:36:58 GMT
This suspension is not really a valid suspension, due to conditions and gray areas involved.
Robin also has a history of questionable actions, so this only adds to the suspicion that this suspension was uncalled for, a warning would have been enough.
If Crimson had been intentionally giving logs to Crescendo and you can prove that he was, then this is a valid suspension. Otherwise, this thread should be locked and the suspension revoked.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 20:06:53 GMT
I vouch to this suspension This suspension is not really a valid suspension, due to conditions and gray areas involved. What conditions and what gray areas? This is clearly insider admin information being given to a suspended admin. This is definitely against the conduct and has resulted in many admins being suspended just yesterday. Robin also has a history of questionable actions, so this only adds to the suspicion that this suspension was uncalled for, a warning would have been enough.. What questionable actions would that be? And how do they affect the legitimacy of this suspension? I am very curious as to what you mean by questionable actions, this really seems like slander. Perhaps back up your point? If Crimson had been intentionally giving logs to Crescendo and you can prove that he was, then this is a valid suspension. Otherwise, this thread should be locked and the suspension revoked. These logs aptly prove that he intentionally gave logs to a suspended admin. Robin has no reason to forge these logs, and unless you can prove that the logs are fake, this suspension is valid. The burden of proof is on you as these logs are clearly legitimate and fine to just about everyone. |
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Mike
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Post by Mike on Oct 17, 2017 20:40:36 GMT
Is the situation that serious? Sending someone a screenshot of an admin ranking admins isn't much of a big deal.
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Paldiu
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Post by Paldiu on Oct 17, 2017 21:25:30 GMT
I vouch to this suspension This suspension is not really a valid suspension, due to conditions and gray areas involved. What conditions and what gray areas? This is clearly insider admin information being given to a suspended admin. This is definitely against the conduct and has resulted in many admins being suspended just yesterday. Robin also has a history of questionable actions, so this only adds to the suspicion that this suspension was uncalled for, a warning would have been enough.. What questionable actions would that be? And how do they affect the legitimacy of this suspension? I am very curious as to what you mean by questionable actions, this really seems like slander. Perhaps back up your point? If Crimson had been intentionally giving logs to Crescendo and you can prove that he was, then this is a valid suspension. Otherwise, this thread should be locked and the suspension revoked. These logs aptly prove that he intentionally gave logs to a suspended admin. Robin has no reason to forge these logs, and unless you can prove that the logs are fake, this suspension is valid. The burden of proof is on you as these logs are clearly legitimate and fine to just about everyone. From what I understand, the admin was not intentionally giving out admin information; unless you can prove that was his intent, and that these logs are taken exactly as they were and NOT out of context, then you are correct and the suspension is valid. As for robin, lets not forget his buffoonery which resulted in his suspension then reinstatement back to superadmin. IMO, he was not ready to be reinstated to senior so quickly from that. Plus, robin got this information from Pinchy, so from what I see, Robin is a third party and was NOT a direct witness. |
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Post by Paldiu on Oct 17, 2017 21:29:42 GMT
If someone is screensharing whilst playing minecraft with someone who was an admin but was suspended due to misconduct, can we honestly say with 100% certainty that they were doing so with malicious intent? Or maybe it was happenstance that it occured this way? We must factor in all variables before jumping to a conclusion such as this. This is the problem with our admin base, especially newer senior admins: They are focusing too much on being right than actually fact checking to make sure they're right. Most opinionated suggestions are exactly that. Plus there are two sides to every story; do we bother to even find what the other side to the story was? This is not a police precinct, we do not treat players who make mistakes like criminals. People like Scutix and Savnith are considered beyond saving as they have proven countless times they cannot be trusted, but for what could have been a harmless or coincidental mistake does not warrant such harsh treatment.
Moreover, the information that was received by the suspended admin was not sensitive information, so why a suspension?
I stay with my objection, this should have just been a warning.
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Mike
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Post by Mike on Oct 17, 2017 22:32:55 GMT
Since this is a debated suspension and admins have already begun vouching and objecting on the suspension, I've opened up a poll that could help higher ups determine a resolution.
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