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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 25, 2017 7:45:19 GMT
So I just watched a Huff Paranormal video. If you don't know he's a youtuber who uses "ghost boxes" (hacked radios that can supposedly be used to communicate with spirits by scrambling the stations) and "oujia boards" (boards with the alphabet, yes, no, etc that can supposedly communicate with spirits via a pointer/cursor), he's made hundreds of videos using a variety of tools to accomplish this. Here's one I just watched:
He's made many other videos like that and he claims to not believe in the religious/superstitious nonsense associated with it. If you look through the videos you'll see quite some evidence and even other people have used his tools to do the same thing.
I wanna see a theoretical scientific explanation for it as well as the afterlife, and how you could use these silly tools to communicate with them.
It's possible that the energy after you die is still there, but I can't come up with much more than that, and then how would your brain cells be with that energy and the ability to communicate?
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Post by instinct on Mar 25, 2017 8:19:21 GMT
because i don't have time to write down a massive explanation copied from a video online i'll just put it here:
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Post by ???DaddyIndica on Mar 25, 2017 18:38:26 GMT
Funny enough, I believe in the Stephen King theory that people don't want to pass over to their next life because they're afraid. Aka afraid to go to hell. Not much proof, but its a theoretical.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 25, 2017 18:39:14 GMT
Funny enough, I believe in the Stephen King theory that people don't want to pass over to their next life because they're afraid. Aka afraid to go to hell. Not much proof, but its a theoretical. That's not scientific though
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Post by ???DaddyIndica on Mar 25, 2017 18:40:37 GMT
Funny enough, I believe in the Stephen King theory that people don't want to pass over to their next life because they're afraid. Aka afraid to go to hell. Not much proof, but its a theoretical. That's not scientific though Yea but lets be real here, how would you prove it if you can't actually talk to these things?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 25, 2017 18:43:25 GMT
That's not scientific though Yea but lets be real here, how would you prove it if you can't actually talk to these things? No one's saying prove it, this thread is to discuss a theoretical scientific explanation
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 25, 2017 18:50:40 GMT
because i don't have time to write down a massive explanation copied from a video online i'll just put it here: Good video. That debunks the ouija board, but not the ghost box.
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Post by Dusty01 on Mar 25, 2017 20:25:33 GMT
because i don't have time to write down a massive explanation copied from a video online i'll just put it here: <snip> This video gave me another idea to try which may potentially debunk the Ouija board again. Since ideomotor response occurs due to our previous knowledge that its supposed to move, it shouldn't work with people who don't know what a Ouija board is since they have no idea that's its supposed to move and hence wouldn't imagine it. Ill explain about the ghost box when I get time but this partially covers what I want to say: www.skepticblog.org/2012/05/14/ghost-box/Basically, it has a lot to do with the mentality of the person.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Mar 25, 2017 20:55:42 GMT
Science is based on a simple principle: if you repeat an experiment under the exact same conditions, you will get the exact same outcome. Of course, if you are actually talking to dead people, you wouldn't get the exact same conversation each time, but I find it more than slightly interesting that literally all ways of communicating with ghosts have a degree of chance built in that would be considered unacceptable in regular "science".
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 26, 2017 5:19:55 GMT
because i don't have time to write down a massive explanation copied from a video online i'll just put it here: <snip> This video gave me another idea to try which may potentially debunk the Ouija board again. Since ideomotor response occurs due to our previous knowledge that its supposed to move, it shouldn't work with people who don't know what a Ouija board is since they have no idea that's its supposed to move and hence wouldn't imagine it. Ill explain about the ghost box when I get time but this partially covers what I want to say: www.skepticblog.org/2012/05/14/ghost-box/Basically, it has a lot to do with the mentality of the person. Good article. But we should discuss what spirits even are and what the afterlife is theoretically, it's possible that humans are like computers, they're powered by energy, but they have a thought process, and I would guess the brain would be the hard drive, CPU, and memory, and if that computer was abnormally shut off, like it stopped receiving energy, that thought process could be corrupted (in this case, loss of brain cells I suppose). But then, when you lose that energy, how would you have the energy and brain cells to be able to communicate or move a physical cursor? It makes me believe that the afterlife is literal nothingness, you just simply don't exist and I have no idea how to explain it other than that.
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Post by Dusty01 on Mar 26, 2017 6:20:41 GMT
This video gave me another idea to try which may potentially debunk the Ouija board again. Since ideomotor response occurs due to our previous knowledge that its supposed to move, it shouldn't work with people who don't know what a Ouija board is since they have no idea that's its supposed to move and hence wouldn't imagine it. Ill explain about the ghost box when I get time but this partially covers what I want to say: www.skepticblog.org/2012/05/14/ghost-box/Basically, it has a lot to do with the mentality of the person. Good article. But we should discuss what spirits even are and what the afterlife is theoretically, it's possible that humans are like computers, they're powered by energy, but they have a thought process, and I would guess the brain would be the hard drive, CPU, and memory, and if that computer was abnormally shut off, like it stopped receiving energy, that thought process could be corrupted (in this case, loss of brain cells I suppose). But then, when you lose that energy, how would you have the energy and brain cells to be able to communicate or move a physical cursor? It makes me believe that the afterlife is literal nothingness, you just simply don't exist and I have no idea how to explain it other than that. Im going to base this off your logic: Spirit (according to dictionary.com): The soul regarded as separating from the body at death. What I'd prefer calling spirits: The energy left with a being after death. There's no definitive way to define afterlife. It would've been much simpler if hundreds of religions didn't give 100 different definitions to it. But lets just assume its the being's energy sustaining itself. When you shut down a computer abnormally (force shutdown or removal of the battery), the computer doesn't lose all its energy. It still has a significant amount in it. Since the energy here is electricity, Ill briefly explain it in terms of that. Electric current is the flow of electrons, this provides us electricity. However, that does not mean that there's no electrons when there's no electricity. Electrons are present almost everywhere at any given time. This is why it takes virtually no time at all for the bulb to light up after you flick the switch. Similarly, lets assume that the energy living beings carry is called 'Life Energy'. This may include their Kinectic, Potential etc. energy. When they die, they lose a lot of their energy, perhaps not all (As seen from the example of a computer). Let this remaining energy be 'Spiritual Energy'. According to science, almost everything has energy, even non living things. So, naturally, it would be possible to convert Spiritual energy into Potential energy and thus into Kinetic energy. The magnitude of motion caused by the spirit will fully depend on the amount of Spiritual energy the spirit has left. We'll have to assume that this will run out like any other source of energy (Unless spirits are able to convert other forms of energy into spiritual energy which is scientifically possible but completely far-fetched). Some spirits only communicate through the Ouija board because that's all the energy they have. But ideomotor response debunks that. Afterlife may eventually become nothingness after you lose all of your energy. Perhaps, yoga and a happy life are the ways to build up your spiritual energy and keep it in reserve. As for the ghost-box: A study shows that people who didn't know what a ghost box was (and didn't even know it was called a ghost box) could only make out gibberish from the audio. When told to ask questions, they did so but they said that they got answers unrelated to their questions (Eg. of question: Is God real?). However, people who have knowledge about these found no difficulty in making out words from the audio. This is because they know they're supposed to hear it and they want to hear it. This video describes the visual part of the phenomenon. The only difference is that, visually, it applies for everyone. Vsauce had a video on this, but unfortunately, I forgot which one. He explained it better to be honest. And fun fact: A Harambe shaped Cheetos was sold for 100K$ a while back. But here's something I don't get. For a moment lets say spirits do exist and we may be talking to those spirits via these tools. But why can we only talk to humans? Why don't cockroaches, elephants and heck, trees talk to us? I wouldn't assume language was a border for these spirits who have no sense of time. Notify me if I left out anything. It was hard to keep track.
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Post by Dusty01 on Mar 26, 2017 6:23:47 GMT
Science is based on a simple principle: if you repeat an experiment under the exact same conditions, you will get the exact same outcome. Of course, if you are actually talking to dead people, you wouldn't get the exact same conversation each time, but I find it more than slightly interesting that literally all ways of communicating with ghosts have a degree of chance built in that would be considered unacceptable in regular "science". Welcome to pseudoscience.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 26, 2017 7:14:23 GMT
Good article. But we should discuss what spirits even are and what the afterlife is theoretically, it's possible that humans are like computers, they're powered by energy, but they have a thought process, and I would guess the brain would be the hard drive, CPU, and memory, and if that computer was abnormally shut off, like it stopped receiving energy, that thought process could be corrupted (in this case, loss of brain cells I suppose). But then, when you lose that energy, how would you have the energy and brain cells to be able to communicate or move a physical cursor? It makes me believe that the afterlife is literal nothingness, you just simply don't exist and I have no idea how to explain it other than that. Im going to base this off your logic: Spirit (according to dictionary.com): The soul regarded as separating from the body at death. What I'd prefer calling spirits: The energy left with a being after death. There's no definitive way to define afterlife. It would've been much simpler if hundreds of religions didn't give 100 different definitions to it. But lets just assume its the being's energy sustaining itself. When you shut down a computer abnormally (force shutdown or removal of the battery), the computer doesn't lose all its energy. It still has a significant amount in it. Since the energy here is electricity, Ill briefly explain it in terms of that. Electric current is the flow of electrons, this provides us electricity. However, that does not mean that there's no electrons when there's no electricity. Electrons are present almost everywhere at any given time. This is why it takes virtually no time at all for the bulb to light up after you flick the switch. Similarly, lets assume that the energy living beings carry is called 'Life Energy'. This may include their Kinectic, Potential etc. energy. When they die, they lose a lot of their energy, perhaps not all (As seen from the example of a computer). Let this remaining energy be 'Spiritual Energy'. According to science, almost everything has energy, even non living things. So, naturally, it would be possible to convert Spiritual energy into Potential energy and thus into Kinetic energy. The magnitude of motion caused by the spirit will fully depend on the amount of Spiritual energy the spirit has left. We'll have to assume that this will run out like any other source of energy (Unless spirits are able to convert other forms of energy into spiritual energy which is scientifically possible but completely far-fetched). Some spirits only communicate through the Ouija board because that's all the energy they have. But ideomotor response debunks that. Afterlife may eventually become nothingness after you lose all of your energy. Perhaps, yoga and a happy life are the ways to build up your spiritual energy and keep it in reserve. As for the ghost-box: A study shows that people who didn't know what a ghost box was (and didn't even know it was called a ghost box) could only make out gibberish from the audio. When told to ask questions, they did so but they said that they got answers unrelated to their questions (Eg. of question: Is God real?). However, people who have knowledge about these found no difficulty in making out words from the audio. This is because they know they're supposed to hear it and they want to hear it. This video describes the visual part of the phenomenon. The only difference is that, visually, it applies for everyone. Vsauce had a video on this, but unfortunately, I forgot which one. He explained it better to be honest. And fun fact: A Harambe shaped Cheetos was sold for 100K$ a while back. But here's something I don't get. For a moment lets say spirits do exist and we may be talking to those spirits via these tools. But why can we only talk to humans? Why don't cockroaches, elephants and heck, trees talk to us? I wouldn't assume language was a border for these spirits who have no sense of time. Notify me if I left out anything. It was hard to keep track. I was actually using a desktop as an example and not a laptop, my bad for not clarifying. Your example does explain why the supposed spirits caught on the ghost box by Huff Paranormal always seem to be worried or terrified and want to "find the light", whatever that means. I believe the video in the OP also shows that they complained about it being 'hard' to use the ouija board over the ghost box (or vice versa, I forget). It could mean that their spiritual energy is running out. So let's assume these are real, why are they able to communicate with us? Your brain cells would stay intact (scientists found that an 800 year old fossil had intact brain cells, look it up).
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 26, 2017 7:15:00 GMT
Science is based on a simple principle: if you repeat an experiment under the exact same conditions, you will get the exact same outcome. Of course, if you are actually talking to dead people, you wouldn't get the exact same conversation each time, but I find it more than slightly interesting that literally all ways of communicating with ghosts have a degree of chance built in that would be considered unacceptable in regular "science". Welcome to pseudoscience. Theoretical science*
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Post by Dusty01 on Mar 26, 2017 7:26:37 GMT
Im going to base this off your logic: Spirit (according to dictionary.com): The soul regarded as separating from the body at death. What I'd prefer calling spirits: The energy left with a being after death. There's no definitive way to define afterlife. It would've been much simpler if hundreds of religions didn't give 100 different definitions to it. But lets just assume its the being's energy sustaining itself. When you shut down a computer abnormally (force shutdown or removal of the battery), the computer doesn't lose all its energy. It still has a significant amount in it. Since the energy here is electricity, Ill briefly explain it in terms of that. Electric current is the flow of electrons, this provides us electricity. However, that does not mean that there's no electrons when there's no electricity. Electrons are present almost everywhere at any given time. This is why it takes virtually no time at all for the bulb to light up after you flick the switch. Similarly, lets assume that the energy living beings carry is called 'Life Energy'. This may include their Kinectic, Potential etc. energy. When they die, they lose a lot of their energy, perhaps not all (As seen from the example of a computer). Let this remaining energy be 'Spiritual Energy'. According to science, almost everything has energy, even non living things. So, naturally, it would be possible to convert Spiritual energy into Potential energy and thus into Kinetic energy. The magnitude of motion caused by the spirit will fully depend on the amount of Spiritual energy the spirit has left. We'll have to assume that this will run out like any other source of energy (Unless spirits are able to convert other forms of energy into spiritual energy which is scientifically possible but completely far-fetched). Some spirits only communicate through the Ouija board because that's all the energy they have. But ideomotor response debunks that. Afterlife may eventually become nothingness after you lose all of your energy. Perhaps, yoga and a happy life are the ways to build up your spiritual energy and keep it in reserve. As for the ghost-box: A study shows that people who didn't know what a ghost box was (and didn't even know it was called a ghost box) could only make out gibberish from the audio. When told to ask questions, they did so but they said that they got answers unrelated to their questions (Eg. of question: Is God real?). However, people who have knowledge about these found no difficulty in making out words from the audio. This is because they know they're supposed to hear it and they want to hear it. This video describes the visual part of the phenomenon. The only difference is that, visually, it applies for everyone. Vsauce had a video on this, but unfortunately, I forgot which one. He explained it better to be honest. And fun fact: A Harambe shaped Cheetos was sold for 100K$ a while back. But here's something I don't get. For a moment lets say spirits do exist and we may be talking to those spirits via these tools. But why can we only talk to humans? Why don't cockroaches, elephants and heck, trees talk to us? I wouldn't assume language was a border for these spirits who have no sense of time. Notify me if I left out anything. It was hard to keep track. I was actually using a desktop as an example and not a laptop, my bad for not clarifying. Your example does explain why the supposed spirits caught on the ghost box by Huff Paranormal always seem to be worried or terrified and want to "find the light", whatever that means. I believe the video in the OP also shows that they complained about it being 'hard' to use the ouija board over the ghost box (or vice versa, I forget). It could mean that their spiritual energy is running out. So let's assume these are real, why are they able to communicate with us? Your brain cells would stay intact (scientists found that an 800 year old fossil had intact brain cells, look it up). Cant pinpoint on how exactly they have memories. Maybe it lasts as long as the brain is intact and hasn't decomposed. If their energy is truly being depleted, they would of course find it hard. Why are they able to communicate is also hard to pinpoint but the most reasonable explanation I can come up with is the law of conservation of energy. According to this law, energy can neither be created not destroyed. It can only be converted from one form to another. So I assume that the spirits have the ability to convert spiritual energy into small amounts of kinetic energy. Apart from communication, there is a much broader question: Why aren't we able to see them? All sources of energy have some signs of existence. Electricity has electrons. Kinetic energy has motion, whereas potential the opposite. Surely there must be something to identify them without the help of a 3rd party.
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