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Post by fionn on Aug 13, 2020 16:39:55 GMT
EDIT - And also, if you thought it was a joke, why did everyone there default to "Well I'm not abusive, I'm perfect so don't fire me please"... Instant reaction was ass covering, which frankly isn't what I'd expect of an executive on here anyway... There's defending yourself and then there's just trying to retain power at any cost. because the accusations were bullshit and they didn't want to be blamed for something they didn't do
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Post by Wild1145 on Aug 13, 2020 16:41:35 GMT
EDIT - And also, if you thought it was a joke, why did everyone there default to "Well I'm not abusive, I'm perfect so don't fire me please"... Instant reaction was ass covering, which frankly isn't what I'd expect of an executive on here anyway... There's defending yourself and then there's just trying to retain power at any cost. because the accusations were bullshit and they didn't want to be blamed for something they didn't do Hate to break it to you, that's not how that thread looks... It looks like people in power, desperate to keep their power. Ass covering and nothing more. That's my 2 cent, personally I feel bad for Seth trying to address concerns and getting met with a response like that, I'd say you're all lucky he's a much nicer human being than a lot of server owners, because I'd have got rid of the lot of you if that was the reaction I had from making a post like that.
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Post by fionn on Aug 13, 2020 16:43:22 GMT
Hate to break it to you, that's not how that thread looks... It looks like people in power, desperate to keep their power. Ass covering and nothing more. I'm aware that's what it looks like but if you read the other thread (which you've stated you haven't) This isnt even an apology because I believe I havent done anything wrong. Perhaps that line sums up why Wilee's ban appeal was rejected, sometimes you've got to suck it up as just about every admin on here stated. -- FWIW, I've not read that thread, I'm just seeing odds and sods posted today because I happened to login to look for something else, don't intend to do anything more than poke fun or be occasionally supportive.
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Post by Wild1145 on Aug 13, 2020 16:46:36 GMT
Hate to break it to you, that's not how that thread looks... It looks like people in power, desperate to keep their power. Ass covering and nothing more. I'm aware that's what it looks like but if you read the other thread (which you've stated you haven't) Perhaps that line sums up why Wilee's ban appeal was rejected, sometimes you've got to suck it up as just about every admin on here stated. -- FWIW, I've not read that thread, I'm just seeing odds and sods posted today because I happened to login to look for something else, don't intend to do anything more than poke fun or be occasionally supportive. It's a 9 page thread... From the posts I saw on it, it was much of the same. I'm responding to the discord chat you posted here. Nothing more, and to be honest that's my point. If you'd have all sorted it out there and then, we wouldn't be having this conversation and this wouldn't be the drama of the day... Instead those who are supposed to hold the greatest responsibility on the server, are running around trying to defend why they shouldn't be removed with immediate effect on a public board... Feels like a bit of a mess to me and not looking good for folks involved.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Aug 13, 2020 16:53:28 GMT
my question is for vjay and dragon then, do you really fucking think that influencing Seth into deleting the entire exec team and replacing it with you guys would have made TF better? and that a public callout thread would have helped things? woah woah woah, that was never, ever the plan, video has it on recording, thats not the case, nobody said that we should be the ones in power, we only said that the current people in power have flaws
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Post by square on Aug 13, 2020 16:58:32 GMT
my question is for vjay and dragon then, do you really fucking think that influencing Seth into deleting the entire exec team and replacing it with you guys would have made TF better? and that a public callout thread would have helped things? woah woah woah, that was never, ever the plan, video has it on recording, thats not the case, nobody said that we should be the ones in power, we only said that the current people in power have flaws i wasn't going to comment on this thread as i agree with wild however i'm confused that you wanted to "show flaws" by asking seth to make a public thread and dug up stuff to make kae look bad. instead of fighting for an unbiased exec team (whose flaws and bias i personally don't believe exists) you lot seem to fought for the public's attention which resulted in a shit flinging contest. why did you not talk to us in private? or contact the IA?
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Post by ron on Aug 13, 2020 17:01:01 GMT
my question is for vjay and dragon then, do you really fucking think that influencing Seth into deleting the entire exec team and replacing it with you guys would have made TF better? and that a public callout thread would have helped things? woah woah woah, that was never, ever the plan, video has it on recording, thats not the case, nobody said that we should be the ones in power, we only said that the current people in power have flaws Sounds very problematic for me to call out people for their flaws instead of telling them how to improve. The whole thread was just a pot of useless arguments thrown everywhere.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Aug 13, 2020 17:01:33 GMT
woah woah woah, that was never, ever the plan, video has it on recording, thats not the case, nobody said that we should be the ones in power, we only said that the current people in power have flaws i wasn't going to comment on this thread as i agree with wild however i'm confused that you wanted to "show flaws" by asking seth to make a public thread and dug up stuff to make kae look bad. instead of fighting for an unbiased exec team (whose flaws and bias i personally don't believe exists) you lot seem to fought for the public's attention which resulted in a shit flinging contest. why did you not talk to us in private? or contact the IA? we were going too, seth had left the vc for a while, prob to talk with execs or mabye ia idk. and while he was gone we started a google doc to plan out the thread, however while we were working on it, we checked the forums and it turns out seth made a thread, so we just responded to that one, the origional plan was to take it up with ia before doing anything public this is also why some of are arguments weren't super well thought out, because we didn't know the thread was going to be made so soon
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Post by square on Aug 13, 2020 17:10:31 GMT
i wasn't going to comment on this thread as i agree with wild however i'm confused that you wanted to "show flaws" by asking seth to make a public thread and dug up stuff to make kae look bad. instead of fighting for an unbiased exec team (whose flaws and bias i personally don't believe exists) you lot seem to fought for the public's attention which resulted in a shit flinging contest. why did you not talk to us in private? or contact the IA? we were going too, seth had left the vc for a while, prob to talk with execs or mabye ia idk. and while he was gone we started a google doc to plan out the thread, however while we were working on it, we checked the forums and it turns out seth made a thread, so we just responded to that one, the origional plan was to take it up with ia before doing anything public this is also why some of are arguments weren't super well thought out, because we didn't know the thread was going to be made so soon didn't you ask seth to make the thread? and if you're planning a thread (which i assume you mean is public) that reinforces my previous statement that you were fighting for public attention by making the drama unnecessarily public although i believe this thread should be locked because the others have vented their concerns
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Post by serrif on Aug 13, 2020 17:16:25 GMT
I’m locking this because I can see this one starting to head in the same direction as the last one. The Executives who weren’t online said their piece and there really isn’t a need to comment on it further.
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