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Post by grntbg on Jul 21, 2020 16:40:35 GMT
If anonymous reports are to evade public criticism then they are practically useless. I don't see this issue going away with new "anonymous reports" at any time in the future. How??? If it's a valid report how would that be useless?? It's useless because the report can't be determined as valid by anyone who hasn't seen the evidence.
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Post by elmon on Jul 21, 2020 16:41:24 GMT
How??? If it's a valid report how would that be useless?? It's useless because the report can't be determined as valid by anyone who hasn't seen the evidence. That's not their job, the person who's job it is has seen the report and that's what matters
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Post by grntbg on Jul 21, 2020 16:44:12 GMT
It's useless because the report can't be determined as valid by anyone who hasn't seen the evidence. That's not their job, the person who's job it is has seen the report and that's what matters The community has no "job" because jobs require employment (or having been recognized as somebody designated to fulfill a task) but it's widely understood that the community should be able to understand why a decision of this severity was made, which means seeing the material that prompted this report.
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Post by elmon on Jul 21, 2020 16:45:50 GMT
That's not their job, the person who's job it is has seen the report and that's what matters The community has no "job" because jobs require employment (or having been recognized as somebody designated to fulfill a task) but it's widely understood that the community should be able to understand why a decision of this severity was made, which means seeing the material that prompted this report. Yes please get into semantics when it's clear as day what I was trying to say ??
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Post by grntbg on Jul 21, 2020 17:01:09 GMT
The community has no "job" because jobs require employment (or having been recognized as somebody designated to fulfill a task) but it's widely understood that the community should be able to understand why a decision of this severity was made, which means seeing the material that prompted this report. Yes please get into semantics when it's clear as day what I was trying to say ?? Keyword: trying. You're trying to argue that non-officials shouldn't have any say in admin suspensions, but the procedure has always requested logs or pertinent evidence. That's so other people can rationalize the suspension, and excluding any sort of evidence makes that impossible. Fionn has already said that "you'll just have to take our word for it" which is pretty atypical of an admin's removal and raises some questions.
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Post by ???DaddyIndica on Jul 22, 2020 2:25:48 GMT
Some other things I'd like to point out before this thread is inevitably locked and probably heavily moderated. In the past, specifically video/wilee's case, sensitive information has been released just significantly blurred out to prevent DOXing. And since we've established that even permbanned players have rights, why wasn't Nathan asked if his information could be put up? And if you argue that it was blurred so it doesn't matter, you could argue that you could blur whatever evidence there is for this case. Obviously some degree of favoritism is being shown, and it seems like the precedents set in the past are not important. The admin managers strive for transparency, and than suspend a senior admin out of the blue using a policy that can be abused because of it's pretty applicable nature, without providing the actual evidence.
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 22, 2020 2:50:38 GMT
Some other things I'd like to point out before this thread is inevitably locked and probably heavily moderated. In the past, specifically video/wilee's case, sensitive information has been released just significantly blurred out to prevent DOXing. And since we've established that even permbanned players have rights, why wasn't Nathan asked if his information could be put up? And if you argue that it was blurred so it doesn't matter, you could argue that you could blur whatever evidence there is for this case. Obviously some degree of favoritism is being shown, and it seems like the precedents set in the past are not important. The admin managers strive for transparency, and than suspend a senior admin out of the blue using a policy that can be abused because of it's pretty applicable nature, without providing the actual evidence. there's literally no "past precedent" Video reported him and Wilee. If you actually read the screenshots, nothing personal was said beyond nathans info. We of course, blurred this information out. Its two completely different scenarios. they are literally nothing alike besides Video & Curtain both being suspended. theres no "favoritism." the person who reported curtain asked to remain anonymous and the screenshots to be kept private. Video did not when he sent his report. If you must know, curtain was suspended for sexual harassment / comments made towards a member of our community. the situation was very uncomfortable for the complainant, and originally didnt even want to report curtain but was brave enough to do so. It would be incredibly easily to deduce who it was, as the screenshots are private dms between them and curtain. I find it extremely ridiculous that anyone think's we're "abusing." We do not want reports to go unsubmitted because of fear of being judged. The admin asked the screenshots not be shared, and they will not be.
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 3, 2020 23:10:46 GMT
This suspension has ended.
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